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(02:07) [Music] path I’m Dr Kelly Brogan you may know me as a New York Times bestselling author of a book with an exploding pill on the cover Renegade psychiatrist P dancer or honorary member of the disinformation doesn’t what can I say I’m a born provocator I’ve spent most of my recent life exposing deceptions connecting dots and discovering the secret places my inner victim is still waiting to be liberated and now I feel called to help you reclaim all of your parts your health your sexuality your power and your expression so that you can finally
(02:46) truly own yourself I want to ignite in you that inner knowing and the pulsing Vitality that lives beneath your disempowerment disconnection and resentment so that you can audaciously courageously and playfully alchemize your struggle into the specific pleasure of who you are this is Reclamation radio a soulfire production hi and welcome back to Reclamation radio I am Dr Kelly Brogan and I am here with the one the only the man the legend Aubrey Marcus the tables have turned so now now you’re in the hot seat and we
(03:30) have had some really really enlivening conversations on your program and I want to really almost like pass the Baton to myself in a way to continue the conversation but through your lens I mean there’s so many things clearly that I could talk to you about and it’s really an honor to have this time with you and you have played a very significant role in my process of ending the war with men I call it and recognizing the fear at the root of my activism and really committing to resolving patterns of resentment and
(04:14) bitterness and disappointment that I have experienced throughout my entire life with men and yeah so I think that you are really a perfect Ambassador for for the male gender and I want to really talk to you about what it’s like what it’s like in the modern moment we’re just talking a bit about the modern moment before we went live so what what it’s like in the modern moment to be a man and I want to zoom in first on roles right I know that you also see life in terms of archetypes and I would like to hear a little bit about what you
(04:50) perceive to be you know let’s talk about your role but perhaps just a man’s role in general the idealized man with regard to his woman you know with regard to his community and with regard to other men because it’s probably not the same I would imagine in all of those different Avenues so I would like to start there and just really dive in on this juicy top yeah that’s a that’s a broad that’s a broad spectrum of things to cover so I think the first thing to highlight is that to be in the fullness of your of your masculinity and as a man you have
(05:31) to be in touch with your feminine and you have to keep those roles in balance and those who know me like really well in the Deep understand that I have a highly developed queen as well as a highly developed king and a highly developed lover as well as a highly developed Warrior and a highly developed magician as well as a highly developed Mystic and there’s differences between these kind of archetypes and I like working with these archetypes but the first I think that’s important that I don’t think a lot of people get is the
(06:03) idea everybody conflates King and Queen by the gender the biological gender of the person but actually they’re different archetypes fundamentally and the king is in the Hebrew lineage is tiferet it’s the masculine principle and it’s the principle that drives forward it’s the principle that makes decisions and can execute from a place of deep deep stability like when everything is falling around and crumbling like everybody looks to the king and the King then at that point rallies in the in the historical metaphor rallies and says
(06:38) rally to me you know all those in fear all those are weak rally to me and then the king charges forward you think of you know Lord of the Rings and Aragorn and the king of Gondor you know it’s like rally to me and we’ll charge forward and that’s this this kind of King energy but that’s also available to a biological woman that doesn’t mean that she’s in her Queen she could be in her ruling king or her warrior king archetype but it’s not necessarily the Queen the queen is you know while while the king is charging let me make sure
(07:09) that the king is supported in every way that his Aeros is full and that his has been fully activated and freed and let me take care of the rest of the Kingdom those who can’t fight and those who need shelter and support and all of them rally to the queen so so the queen stays behind and stay with me you know children stay with me you know those who cannot fight fight and I’ll be you know I’ll be the I’ll be there for you to support you to nurture you and all of that and there’s different both of those roles need to be activated to actually
(07:38) be a good king or to be a good Queen and to understand that there’s a masculine principle of a queen which is actually the the king within the feminine or a feminine principle within the masculine which is the queen and those Royal archetypes are just the highest fruition of that certain principle of leadership that kind of comes across so that’s one element that I think people that can help them with a kind of map that I think is important because all the time people talk about like I want to be a queen and I want to be a king well
(08:11) they’re different actually and it doesn’t depend on your biology they’re just archetypes that you can really develop so you know that’s kind of one you know one principle that I like to work with and kind of talk about I love this clarification because in my 10 years of Private Practice probably was like halfway through you know that decade that I began to see that the energy that I was holding as you know you and I talk a lot about like Dom sub Dynamics and these polarities so as the leader right as the clinician as the MD
(08:45) as the one in the seat behind the desk I sometimes joke that’s why I became a psychiatrist so that it’ be harder to to find out that I’m crazy because I’m behind the desk but anyway that I was playing a father role like that I actually and I wasn’t just this like strong mother guiding you know these women with this nurturance it was actually the father archetype that I held those 10 years and it was always very confusing to me and this is such a helpful clarification because the simultaneous development of those two
(09:14) inner archetypes it sounds like you’re saying in a balanced way that you can recruit in a given scenario at will right yeah and it’s it’s you have to listen to the both listen to the situation so both are in service to a higher recognition of the field capital F field and so the field could be on the lower level of just kind of listening to the emotional energy but it could also be in service to the higher field which you would call God or the universe or Source or the mystery whatever name you want but there’s a deep listening that
(09:45) happens on both sides the listening for when to thrust forward and when to receive you know both of those are are very important now for me I spend most of my time in the king archetype that’s what the kingdom is asking from me and especially lately it’s like really show up as that kind of you know as no matter the chaos you can count on me like can count on the me and the stability and in the leadership and whatever I can do so it doesn’t mean that you have to spend an equal amount of time in each polarity
(10:18) it just means that both you know really to be in your fullness have to be really developed in a powerful way and then from there you have to understand like what you’ll end up attracting in a partnership is ideally someone who likes to spend and thrives in spending the majority of their time in the other archetype but if they don’t have at least a bit of your archetype and they don’t really understand then you won’t really understand each other and you won’t really get each other and you won’t be able to cover for each other
(10:48) when you need to you know there’s certain times where I just I can’t do it you know let’s say we’re having a a group that’s coming together you know at the house and like I just can’t show up and I can’t be you know VI has to show up and be the king and lead people through whatever they need to be led through and kind of hold the center of it and um and then I’ll emerge when I have the time so there’s places that she can step up and be the king and there’s places where I can step up and be the queen and just be
(11:17) there for her and then like nurture and support her like when she’s doing a big performance I’m like fully in my queen rooll it’s like whatever you need you need water you need me to just you know rub your shoulders you need to be there so I’ll step into that so it’s important to have both but also Viana is you know more comfortable when she’s just allowed to be her Queen allowed to just flow and be in the natural flow of things so if it’s 8020 one way or the other which probably it is then I found someone who
(11:48) also enjoys being 8020 in the queen and when it gets difficult and we have challenges in the relationship it’s when you know I’m in my king and she’s in her King and then where nobody’s being the queen to anybody and then there’s you know not enough nurturing that’s happening in the relationship and it’s actually we don’t have the polarity so actually our Aeros drops a lot of things drop and of course the sexual model is the erotic right but it does not exhaust the erotic that’s what you know Mark GNE is part of like a core tenant of his
(12:19) Dharma so in the bedroom we actually get to exaggerate our polarities often sometimes we don’t sometimes we’re just rolling around in a kind of very fluid you know more 5050 type of situation but often times we’ll exaggerate it to you know 99 and one% you know where I’m like strongly in my masculine dominance and she’s strongly in her feminine and that charge that’s created when you stretch the polarity out to its maximum is intense and actually recalibrates you know the comfort of us being in those different polarities so
(12:54) that’s a it’s a great like I can’t imagine those relationships that don’t have this strong sexual connection that can really play with polarity it’s it’s very difficult I think to like recalibrate and actually balance and move the energy in anywhere that things are stuck absolutely no I mean it’s such a technology right and not only for generating a field between the two of you that impacts your entire environment but also yeah within your intra personal realm how does this sort of archetype switching if you will
(13:28) manifest with with your brothers like with your men in your life do you see it as simply hierarchical is it an alpha beta type of thing or does the the sort of king queen polarity sit with the community with your woman and there’s an invocation of some other energies when you’re interacting just with other men so I think the core for me of like the deepest friendships is I want to be you know just for someone to really feel like my peer they have to have you know a highly developed King like they have to have that element and it’s nice when
(14:07) they have some development as a queen when they can just actually show up in radical support and I think you know one of my brothers I think of the two different aons you know actually who are you know my brother Kings but Aaron Alexander has a very highly developed Queen inside of him right he’s there to you know he’ll do Acro yoga for me or do some body work or just sit there and talk to me and and then other times he can step forward and we can be kings that are just like challenging each other so we’re always competing in
(14:39) everything it could be like there could be two you know paddle boards and we get on there and we’ll wrestle on the paddle boards and try to throw each other off or we’ll play you know any type of sport or swords or whatever it might be that we’ll competing and we’ll do like mock sparring you know just where we’ll go out and we’ll Spar against each other and it’s like this there’s an element of competition that exists as a foundation like foundational substrate that allows men to actually feel each other in a
(15:09) certain way this is the for men I think competing is like for a man and a woman like there’s no way that I’m ever as intimate with a man as a friend if I haven’t if I don’t find any way to compete with them now the other thing the other way that you can do it is you can mutually go through hard stuff together so it’s like initiatory rituals you know sweat lodges medicine Journeys things like that but finding a way to genuinely compete Fosters like the greatest level of intimacy because you really get to know each other and also
(15:43) you get to strengthen each other there’s there’s a real iron sharpens iron principle where men not only do they compete but will always be you know in a loving way like talking to each other like talking is probably like at least half of the communication that I do with my friends you know and we’ll and we’re always doing that if we find a sensitive spot it’s not that we avoid it we just kind of lightly keep pressing keep pressing keep knowing that there’s a place where like it’ll go too far and then there’ll be like real aggression
(16:15) and knowing there’s a place in competition that’ll go too far like one of the rules I have about what you talk about and what you compete about is like don’t talk about actually being able to fight and beat each other up right like that’s like a such a it’s such a sensitive area that like there’s no way that you can because you can’t actually resolve it there’s no resolution to it so if you start talking about who could actually win in a fight or who could like kill the other person you never able to resolve it so there’s
(16:44) this like tension so there’s certain things that are off the table but everything else is like radically on the table and that forms like the basis of masculine intimacy and also this crucible that allows you to actually really feel each other and kind of trust each other in a in an interesting way to be like all right what happens when you’re pressed what happens when you’re tired what happens at the end of that game when you’re both exhausted and it’s you know 1616 and a game to 21 and it’s your fifth game and it’s hot and you
(17:14) both want to quit like what does your brother have inside them like what emerges you know like how how do you fight to the end or is there a quit somewhere in them that you find and it’s okay if there is but like I want to know that about my Brothers I want to know that I can trust them no matter what comes so that’s kind of the the big difference that I see in the masculine to masculine relationship is that healthy sacred competition allows for the intimacy that sexing allows in the masculine feminine relationship I think
(17:47) it’s really profound because you’re you’re highlighting the relationship between aggression and Trust which I I think does translate into Arenas you’re really one of the only men that I’ve encountered who has like a healthy community of other men most of the men that I know including most of my colleagues you know we have allies right and the men in my collegial realm have allies as well who are other men but to develop bonds and like real Community you know sort of tribe I mean certainly there are people doing it but it’s not
(18:22) common and I I think that the you know I would say like Reclamation of the dark masculine that predat torial energy as displayed through these different means it has to be an essential piece of what is missing and why men don’t form relationships that are valuable to them with other men very readily because if you can’t trust a man who’s you know whose Predator you haven’t met right I mean that’s yeah yeah for sure I mean imagine someone who you know displays lots of elements of the toxicity of a dark masculine right like let’s say
(18:59) Donald Trump like imagine me playing basketball or like competing in Kendo with Donald Trump and every time I hit him being like you’re a little too slow and a little too orange bro you know like what you been doing the you been doing like like can you imagine that can you you just feel how fragile he would be and how like he would be unable to do that you know what I mean like because he’s he doesn’t have any brothers that can really test him and actually allow there to be that kind of healthy level of of competition that
(19:32) that actually makes him not fragile but trustable and I think that’s what you see that’s that’s different you know when people who can really actually but at the same time like I could imagine doing any variety of sports with RFK who’s super fit and I could imagine you know being out there playing whatever sport it was or whatever thing and being like you know you’re pretty strong for an old man but you’re a little too old for me that’s you prime Bobby you know and I could see him laughing you know I could see him
(20:03) laughing and being like you know and then getting the ball back and being like but I’m still stronger than you think I’ve been in this game for a while Young Buck you know and then and then like I could see the joy of that experience and it’s one of the reasons why I feel like a deep trust with him like I feel like he’s he’s the type of person that could enter that Arena and I could really like trust them and so that’s it’s kind of really like a guide star for me about where the relationships naturally develop you know
(20:32) and when I’m around even those brothers that aren’t at the level of like my you know other fellow like brother King and peers there’s always some level in which we find it and it can be in any variety of different things but with Charles eisenstein we have pullup contests you know and we’ll do that and we’ll play pickle ball but then also when you’re really better than somebody it doesn’t make sense to like talk but it’s to radically celebrate them so when we’re playing pickle ball we’re actually pretty close in P up so we’ll talk
(21:00) full out because there’s enough closeness but when we’re playing pickle ball he hits a good shot and I’m like good shot Charles like good shot you know like you gotta like really there’s there’s different places for that like if they’re if you’re close and it’s like then you want to really challenge them and push them and if it’s not you want to just celebrate them and bring them up and not like Bully them and so that they don’t want to play you you want to like encourage them to continue the game and continue the effort so you know this is
(21:31) a foundational piece of I think the brother codes and for me and then also again these ceremonial moments these moments where the times are hard and times are difficult you know to trust that they’ll be able to show up and be there for you no matter what and that goes you know that goes for both you know the men and the women in my life like everybody who’s on I have a necklace that sign you know signifies all the closest members of my Ohana and we’ve been in countless ceremonies together we’ve seen each other at our
(22:01) most broken and we’ve seen each other at our most at our highest and most celebrated moments and another key element for both of those you know regardless of men and women like you have to surround yourself with people who are radically excited and enthusiastic for your success that are like never jealous but always pumped to watch you shine you know so when I go watch Aaron Rogers play football you know I remember a game where he played the Dallas Cowboys last year when he was playing for the Packers and amazing
(22:32) fourth quarter comeback down 28 to 14 and they win in overtime and I was just shaking and crying with joy you know I was so so happy for him you know I remember that with my friend TJ Dillashaw when he won the title and Cody no love when he won the title and all the great athletes bod Miller when he won the gold it’s like my there’s no way that my joy was any less than their Joy you know and I was like so I remember just Tears like flowing in screams of like like just such radical celebration of them and their Mastery so the
(23:06) competition gets expressed in healthy ways but it doesn’t get expressed in the toxic ways which is comparison and so like one of the guiding statements that I have is you know competition is sacred comparison is profane because if you don’t get out that healthy competition then you end up in a comparative competition which is comparing your wealth or comparing your followers or comparing your fame or comparing whatever else it might be that you’re that you’re comparing but when you actually get to compete then all of that
(23:39) dies away and then you can just celebrate your brother or your sister’s greatness so absent comparison like you’re talking about compersion right like just like genuinely feeling somebody else’s pleasure but absent comparison where does hierarchy fit in you know like Jordan Peterson talks a lot about like the balance of competence and reciprocity and that seems to be what you’re speaking to that there is an assessment of each man’s competence and there’s also the Mandate and imperative for reciprocity that you got to get each
(24:14) other’s backs and be there genuinely for each other and serve each other do you feel like the hierarchical organization is something to acknowledge and you know even intentionally interact with or you think that you know it can be problem so within a within an organization you know like when I was building on it hierarchy needs to be actually established and codified everybody needs to know where the hierarchy is and it also needs to be it needs you run into big problems when there’s somebody who’s more competent
(24:49) underneath somebody who’s less competent and that will create resentment and toxicity within the organization so it has to be a meritocracy of of of Competency that creates the hierarchy but the hierarchy is established and it has to be followed it’s the only way to organize actually you know a structure and I think that’s one of the things that’s happened is is that hierarchy is ultimately the structure of what I would call Empire which is the kind of the toxicity of what we see now with a certain small number of Elites trying to
(25:22) rule and control everybody underneath them obviously they’re not doing it in a noble way their leadership is not emerging from the field they’re hiding their hierarchy and pretending that they’re doing things on people’s behalf but they’re really not but so we’ve gotten kind of allergic to hierarchy because of the tyrants and the despots and the and these kind of natural aspects of Empire but hierarchy is important for structure for government for companies and the kingdom the kingdom also has hierarchy and the
(25:52) kingdom being the opposite the story of The More Beautiful World our hearts know as possible the emergent future that we’re heading towards also Al has to have hierarchy but in in areas of friendship there’s really a natural hierarchy that occurs that doesn’t need to be spoken you know like it just doesn’t need to be spoken it’s just emerging from the field and when nobody has any ego about it then actually it just happens naturally so let’s say we’re going out to eat and I’m there and you know Aaron Rogers is there well I’m
(26:27) a better food or you know I just have a more call I have a I have a better read of people’s desires and appetites when it concerns food and so so I get the menu nobody argues with me I order the food for the table and you know I’ll listen anybody have anything that really pequs your interest here or whatever so I’ll receive that information collect that information and then make an executive decision so we don’t have to all cross over five people order the same appetizer we have too much like doesn’t make any sense so there’s a need
(26:59) for somebody to take the role of collecting the data and making the executive decision Aaron is a better somal than me he understands wine better than I do so the wine menu goes to him you know like Aaron find us a wine you know I’ll find us our food and it’s not that we have to you know talk about it we just know actually he knows wine better than me and can read what you know read what that’s going to be I know food better so it’s a very small example same with like travel arrangements or something that like I’m very good at
(27:29) reading because I think of my developed Queen you know I can really read people’s you know appetites and what would be fun and and see into those situations and it’s part of the vision of the king as well but it’s both and so I’ll be involved in most of the planning of those certain situations and whether it’s mot or Aaron Or whoever they’ll all kind of like bow and like ob’s got this and they get to just relax and then be the jester or be whatever they want to be while this is happening but it just kind of happened
(27:59) naturally based on you know the realization of Competency and also the feeling that I don’t have to be the best I don’t have to be the one that’s ordering because that makes me special or whatever and and I don’t have to be I don’t have to just the best will naturally happen and we’re all in this together and so we’re all we all want to have the best dinner possible we all want to lead the best most effective powerful lives possible so there’s no need to jockey for these small games you know it’s like when you realize you’re
(28:33) all playing a bigger game together and you know as Gaffney would once again say your hem mates which is you’re looking in a shared Horizon together of what the shared intention is then the natural competency hierarchy will emerge it’ll be emerging from the field and it will flow and there’s times also where you know I remember one time with my friend Jason Strauss who’s like one of the you know heads he was the one of the heads of tow group and then MGM and he’s a restaurant tour and we were in his restaurant and he was like you know what
(29:06) would you like to eat and I was like my brother I’d like you to take care of this you know and I hadn’t eaten with him but I could just feel like he would know how to handle it like hospitality and VIP and his awareness of the restaurant so like gladly like you take over and it’s it’s a great joy for me to relinquish that actually in in competent hands whereas other times when they’ve been around people like I’ll take the ordering I’m like it’s just not going to be as good but you know what like I’ll let you handle it you know but there’s a
(29:37) way in which I’m like all right you know but you can try you know what I mean and I just have a sense of that yeah it’s it’s uh it’s cool to actually talk and make verbal these things that just exist kind of naturally and because it’s I think these are the Dynamics that would go really unnoticed unless you actually had a conversation like this and talked about it and then of course if you were or anybody listening was actually with you know with me and my friends at dinner you would see how this how this goes you know and then there’s the
(30:13) healthy levels of competition which is we all you know all try to figure out how we can in the most secret way give our credit card to you know the server so that we get to be the more we have the honor of paying for it you know it’s like this quiet little competition and the secret is is that you do it in a way where nobody knows that you’ve already done it and then you try to give your card and they’re like I’m sorry sir but you know so and so’s already taken care of yeah you lost you’re like thank you but then it’s
(30:46) like you got you got us but also like thank you and that’s kind of uh you know the way that it rolls but you would now having listened to me if you were there at dinner which I’m sure you will be at many dinners that we’ll have just as as you’ll be able to look at it be like oh yeah this is what Obby was talking about I love it so so there is comparison or I what I would register as comparison it’s an assessment but it sounds like it’s like a sober unspoken assessment that is devoid of judgment and replete with respect like
(31:19) that’s what I’m hearing is like there is just a field of mutual respect that you bring to these interactions with other men that allow for what would otherwise be called I don’t know like a comparative evaluation right so I’m better than him he’s better than me he has more but it’s not in that sort of scarcity Consciousness it’s in it’s it’s a natural yeah right a natural acknowledgement of the highest competency in that area in that field with respect for everyone’s role right like understanding that everybody has
(31:52) this role so something goes really wrong early in a boy’s life with regard to these Dynamics especially if that boy is like not encouraged to play team sport I would imagine you know I’ve been thinking a lot about recently because you know that I’m very interested in you know the scup that’s been run on women as far as you know feminism goes and so I’ve interested myself in how challenging it is for men in the modern moment but then I also think about how boys are raised in most you know conventional schooling let’s say they’re
(32:29) raised in a classroom and that the classroom environment with a teacher in the front like typically a woman right in the front talking at a child who is compliant obedient you know waiting to be told when they can pee and poop and eat so basically in this hypers submissive role really even you could invoke you know I just finished a book on marqu Dad but there’s like a lot of unspoken sadism in in these Dynamics right and that is like seems way more costly for boys than it is for girls like that seems very very problematic
(33:06) for a boy’s body for his development and relationship to his own you know animating life force energy to be sitting in a chair being talked at by a woman for the greater part of his childhood so like when I think about some of these Early Childhood issues that we are resolving let’s say if I can speak on behalf of women you know this fundamental fear of men that so many of us are walking around with semiconscious that lead us to henek men and micromanage them and disrespect them and you know diminish them and then
(33:40) experience a life of resentment and disappointment I wonder if you have a perspective on like what are some of the enduring imprints from early Boyhood that like you and the men that you hang around are still working you know working on are still burning off because it’s like yeah it’s I’ve never really thought about that in that way because to me it didn’t matter if it was a man or a woman who was a teacher if the teacher was teaching something that I judged to be innan or pointless and then I was forced to actually comply
(34:17) with listening and learning and understanding this thing but there was no genuine explanation of why this was important to me then there was this huge rebellious streak that came me you know that was like this like I don’t care you know like and so you just suffer through it and you know it teaches you that sometimes you have to endure things that you’re not going to like and that’s part of I think what bertran Russell said is like the highest virtue of schooling is to teach you to do the things you don’t want to do and
(34:48) so there is something like but that needs to be explained I think actually like what you’re learning now is to do something that you don’t want to do and to actually apply yourself to something that you’re not interested in and this is actually going to be something that you will find yourself having to do at some point at some point you’re going to be out of your parents house and you’re going to have to figure out how to do your taxes and I remember for the first few years before I could hire a proper accounting team when I was
(35:14) running my marketing company just sitting for hours doing over the QuickBooks balancing the books figuring out why the numbers weren M I was like I hate this so much you know and but I did it was able to do it and then you know by the time I was able to choose my classes in college for the most part I just chose stuff that I was super interested in so you know was philosophy and classical civilizations major I love my Latin teachers so I kept taking Latin and got a minor in Latin and and I was in theater and just doing
(35:46) all of the things that I really love to do so there was there was a natural Joy of participating in those classes and in that work and and I would go above and beyond what was actually required you know like we were I remember I was in this English literature class where we were studying some old you know choser and we were studying you know troilus and cresa and there was some kind of writing assignment for us to write some poem you know in kind of the theme of Middle English romance and I ended up writing you know a 20page rhyming
(36:27) couplet you know poem of an alternate ending of troilus and cresa right which is kind of a Romeo and Juliet type story with a more Warrior and battle it’s like Romeo and Juliet meets Troy basically and so it was like I did that out of love you know like there was way more than that anybody would have asked but I did that because I was passionate for it and so even when my friends were going out you know drinking or there was this beer pong match down the hall or there’s this party going on at this dorm or whatever i’ be like no no no I want to I
(36:58) want to do this and then there was certain things that I wasn’t interested in you know I was a philosophy major and this very like precise study of epistemology how you know what you know I didn’t resonate with that class at all so you know I had to do a thesis about that and I waited till the last minute and I put some together and I got a C which is super unusual I was Magnum La richond I was always doing well but it was because it was like man this class does not resonate I know know because I know you know what I mean like
(37:30) I actually had an intuitive sense of my own what I would call anthro onology you know through my body I Envision God I understand the truth because I understand the truth I don’t need to explain to you you know all of the intricate details of epistemology so it was probably the worst grade I got in my entire major and you know I remember my professor looking at me like you didn’t even try I was like yeah I don’t like this you know what I mean there was there was an honesty to it so I didn’t I wouldn’t say I had a lot of issues that
(38:00) kind of was brought forth through that because I was able to assess all right there’s certain things that I have to do that I don’t want to do and I know that I’m doing that and there’s certain things that I love and you know I’m going to do those with full passion and full desire where actually I had a lot that I had to work through was with my basketball coach as my basketball coach didn’t operate the team based upon a meritocracy he didn’t actually play me to the level that you know I was capable I was one of the leading scorers in
(38:33) Central Texas I had the high you know one of the highest three-point shooting percentages I was voted team captain you know multiple years and he still would never play me more than two and a half quarters and it wasn’t because it wasn’t fit it’s because he didn’t like me you know I was always the Cal I moved from California to Texas and I was like I was the California boy like hey California I was like I don’t know what you’re looking for me coach but you know like I’m your best player out here you know on the offensive side of the
(39:02) ball at the very least and you know I’ll I’ll give everything for this team and and because he wouldn’t actually acknowledge that I had this kind of deep feeling that the masculine in charge wasn’t going to be fair you know and that lack of like sense of fairness and sense of like you know he had so much ego and he would do crazy things like the night before a game we would practice and he would get all nervous and whatever whatever was going on psychologically and then keep us you know an hour after practice running
(39:34) suicide Sprints and then the next day we’d come out flat and be like coach you’re a idiot you know like of course we don’t have any legs right now of course they’re you know running the fast break and they’re beating us because you ran us all night last night you know so there’s areas of that because I really cared about basketball and I really cared about the team that was difficult you know and I had dreams I had dreams about that coach for probably 10 years after I finished playing you know and show up so there’s
(40:03) things that we carry but to me it was more about you know whether the situation was fair and in On In fairness to a lot of teachers I think they’re teaching things that they don’t love and the teachers that I really liked they were teaching things that they believed in you know the reason why I kept studying Latin is because the teachers who are teaching Latin they’re teaching Latin because they love it and they believed in it and they believed in the stories and like my professor Walt Stevenson you know I still talk to him
(40:32) to this day because I like I love and I still tell the stories he told because he told them with such passion you know he would tell the stories of the Roman Legions and how they would separate the different classes of soldiers and he would just get so into it and you’d get this picture painted and I would just be riveted you know so I wouldn’t skip any of his classes so schooling can be you know schooling can be a really beautiful thing it’s just when a structure is in place that isn’t fair or there’s an individual that creates something that’s
(41:00) not fair in the field that that becomes very difficult for me to metabolize I mean many would say you know I tend towards the conspiracy realist so many would say that the entire you know Rockefeller funded educational system is actually designed to disconnect a child from his or her spirit and their OS you know their sense of trust and alignment with the impulses that course through them right so you talk about having really it seems like retained a relationship to your own Heros to your own impulse to to this trust of your own
(41:38) passions and I don’t know that everyone can say the same you know after 12 years of public schooling or whatever it is I’m going to pause here for a quick second if you are into the topic of manwoman relating polarity and what the Reclamation of Eros has to do with holistic health then I invite you to check out and download my free ebook on the subject at the link below and to also check out a Blog I wrote that goes deeper into the subject of BDSM some of the science supporting it and why these reframes and tools may be exactly what
(42:13) the world needs to move out of confusion resentment and victimhood and into personal empowerment and pleasure hope that helps so like I wonder obviously you are a man on Mission I wonder what you say to men who perhaps even by virtue of having been products of the system are lost when it comes to their passion their interest their purpose like what are the breadcrumbs you could sprinkle you know that that bring them back home to a dynamic relationship with I mean I would call that your inner feminine right like a relationship that
(42:52) is trusting and loving to what it is that animates you shows you in many ways like what you’re here to do and then all the competencies that you bring make manifest from that place but what happens you know when somebody just doesn’t know you know like do you encounter men like that who are just I encounter men who are who are you’re frustr because I was there you know I was frustrated in that I knew that I had a greater gift to give to the world but I couldn’t find a way to give it in a way that it was received you know it was
(43:27) like I had you know again to use the sexual to model the erotic I had a raging and I was looking to the world and there was no feminine chalice that wanted that was arousing the feminine Waters enough who was inviting me to it open you know there was I couldn’t figure it out and every time I would go I would find a brick wall rather than a a yearning Yoni you know to actually so I think that’s that’s going to be a part of the process where you’re actually you know you may have access to your which I did but I just couldn’t find a way that actually
(44:06) the the goddess at large GA Sophia you know or the the collective or the collective feminine of the world was like actually eager to receive my you know I just couldn’t line up where that was and part of that is just you know developing uh a greater Attunement to listening to what the feminine at Large is asking for from you what your own gifts are and just exploring you know figuring it out you know trying to understand you know what works in the smallest level like what inspires your friends like what topics of conversation
(44:43) when you’re talking about people are like wow that’s really interesting and if you continue to do that and develop your own self-mastery then you’re going to find places where there’s that again proverbial Yoni that’s ready to receive you know what the the thrust of information energy Etc that you have to offer and you know I found that only in sport really until I was about 30 and occasionally like my writing would really touch people my poems people like whoa that was or my conversations but it still wasn’t
(45:18) working and I got you know really pretty depressed actually I thought I’d really everything up I was like look somewhere along this path I went left when I should have gone right and you know I it up so you know but I kept trying I just kept I kept at it and I kept trying a different thing a different thing and different thing until finally I found something that really worked I found allies that could help me and I found the you know the field that I could actually start to start to penetrate the world with and I
(45:50) think that’s the that’s the deepest masculine craving is we want to penetrate the world you know that’s T faret that’s the masculine princip so it’s just there’s going to be a period where you know you’re still a young man and you don’t know how to you know the mature woman of the collective and so you just have to keep becoming a better lover someone who’s going to actually listen and read and then apply your in a way that it’s received and that’s a process you know so my advice to the younger men is like stick with it keep honing your Mastery
(46:25) you know get to the point where you have something that the world is really craving from you the yearning Yoni of the world such a good a litera phrase and what would you say advice wise to like new parents of a boy right like I have two daughters I have no ground to stand on you know with any degree of confidence when it comes to advising people who have sons and I know that this is one of the most important undertakings you know a in the current moment is to raise Sons properly and to resolve a lot of the inculturated fear
(47:05) you know that women have of men and therefore their own sons that might lead them to you know energetically spiritually emotionally castrate them so that you know you talk about a man who’s in touch with his but there are so many who literally have coupled that with so much danger that they don’t have contact with it right it’s probably two sides of the same coin you know this like Reckless wheel building of that energy and the sort of total disconnection from it but I wonder you know if you have friends who you know
(47:36) have let’s say a little boy they’re raising you know what is it that you would imagine is essential for them to bear in mind just given the the trials and tribulations that you know are maybe I maybe they’re all necessary but that could be avoided you know boy growing into manhood I think with my you know so first of all with my father it’s really you know what I see a lot of times with fathers with children is somehow the child is disconnected from connecting with the Aeros of the father right and for whatever reason that was the
(48:11) opposite of my experience you know when my dad was like really one of the reasons why I love sports so much is my Dad loved sports like he loved competing and when he would play basketball with his friends you know I would be out there watching him play and I had a little side goal on the side and I’d be shooting around but I was too little to play but I would see how passionately he was playing and how intense he was and I loved it and I just loved watching him and I love watching him compete and he modeled for me the AOS of competition
(48:41) and so I then stepped into the Arosa competition and I would compete with my dad eventually I got good enough to play in the three onree basketball in the backyard and I got good enough to play tennis with him and I got good enough to play chess with him and play scravel with him and do all of these things and that was that was huge because in those moments I would have the radical presence and attention of my father and I would also be able to engage in what he loved and so he modeled something for me that was really important there and
(49:08) then he also cared about my you know what I was doing in a way like he remember like you know my dad had really bad sciatica for about a year and a half and couldn’t actually sit down in a seat he had to like lay down and this was when I was playing Middle School basketball and and he cared so much about my basketball it’s Middle School basketball it’s not a big deal but he would have them you know he would talk to the school and he would roll in like basically like a small mattress like a fold up mattress and he would lie in the
(49:40) side of the gym lie down and watch me play in the gym lying down on a mattress just to see just to see me play and it was like he cared and yes sometimes you know he would like sometimes he would be a little more loving if I did good than if I didn’t and but he didn’t mean to but and so I had to I had to deal with that you know this idea that I’m only loved by the masculine if I’m performing my best and he wasn’t trying to do that but he couldn’t help himself so there was a little bit of work that I had to do there but I think I got to I was just
(50:11) radically interested in conversations and also the things he was interested in also my father always treated me didn’t treat me like a child he treated me like a young adult so if him and my stepmom he got with my stepmom when I was seven if they were talking about their friends having a relationship issue or having something even as an 8-year-old he would ask me what do you think you know what do you think all I was Chris back then but what do you think I’d be like well you know blah blah blah and my dad would
(50:38) be like you know I like the way you’re thinking about this but have you thought about this and I’d be like no I didn’t think about that and so he would work with me and then eventually by you know by like 11 or 10 or 11 like I was able to contribute and actually have Insight that was valuable and he would recognize it and so I became a part of the conversation so I loved dinner time you know this this kind of model where and I don’t know what the difference was because with my little brother I watched him and he was he would never get into
(51:06) it you know we’d be having conversation my dad would try to do the same thing and try but he just wasn’t into it I think he was also part of the digital distraction era he had a video game that he wanted to play or a Game Boy and then they they kind of pandered to that in a way they were like all right just eat your food and you can go back to playing your game but it didn’t yield the same kind of connective experience that I had where I like was eager to hear what what the conversation was and eager to contribute and you know I love dinner
(51:36) time I loved the the moments where I got to got to talk and then on the maternal side I think one of the things can be really damaging is that kind of devouring overprotective mother like your kids are GNA they’re going to fall they’re going to they’re going to get hurt you know you don’t want the you don’t want those injuries to be death you know like you want to put some boundaries yeah yeah like anything that’s going to be like really potentially like a deadly decision of course like keep those boundaries really firm but everything
(52:07) else like let your kids make mistakes let your kids fall let them get hurt and like let them learn and then when they do don’t be in there shaming them just be trust that they’re actually learning the lesson and that that’s a necessary part because otherwise they then you can also start to build you know dishonesty like no matter what I was doing no matter what drug I was trying or no matter what party I was doing you know I didn’t have to lie to my parents I could always talk to them about it and so there was no split between what I was
(52:39) actually sharing with my parents and how they were receiving it and there was still boundaries on you know if I would overstep something throw a party that was too big or something when they were gone or was being reckless in some way they’d be like yo come on you know and I would and I would be bummed I’d be bummed that I disappointed him and I would know like yeah I went too far you know they wouldn’t need to punish me you know I remember I remember one time my parents they were like you’re grounded for the weekend I’m like what like what
(53:12) are you even talking about like do you not understand that I learned the lesson and I get it and I didn’t want to disappoint you and I never want to disappoint you because I love you I don’t need any punishment this is stupid you know I I argued with them relentlessly but they decided they were going to give to try and so I remember and I was like this is just like you’re not seeing me you’re not seeing that actually like I get it and I learned you know I learn that that was the natural consequences yeah exactly
(53:37) you know and there didn’t need to be a there didn’t need to be an additional punishment on top of that and yeah I think that was kind of how I was raised and it was really a beautiful way to be raised there was no that’s literally the only time that I remember a punishment and I also remember the grace of forgiveness you know when like I remember I I one time I wanted to I wanted to drive my stepmom’s car when she was out of town and I was like a she had a Mercedes and they’re like I go to leave the garage and I’m like 18 it’s
(54:09) fast Mercedes and I was like I’m gonna go drive this car and I was like a little bit nervous I knew it was a little bit naughty because I didn’t ask they probably would have let me do it if I asked but I was like I’m just going to do it and I’m leaving the car and I’m backing out looking behind me and then I sideswipe the side of the garage I’m like oh my God you got to be kidding me you know and in that moment they could have just really hammered me you know but they’re like it’s just a car like it’s just a car like don’t
(54:38) worry because I was beating myself up so bad and they could see that and it was like it’s just a car don’t worry this is like one of the things that kids do and it’s okay you know and I was like ah but because of that like I learned also the grace and forgiveness and and they didn’t like overhammer as situation which would teach me how to be I was already hard enough on myself you know so I didn’t need to learn more shame you know about a situation where clearly I was aware that I made a mistake so I mean I was really blessed with how I was
(55:11) raised to be honest and so if any of those stories can give guidelines I think that’s really important and also you know look sometimes your kids may get in a fight you know my father taught me martial arts from when I was and had me learn when I was from when I was like four years old and but because I was in a disciplined practice like he’s like there’s there’s going to be a time to fight and then there’s a time where you don’t fight and despite an extremely high level of Competency in fighting I only have gotten in one street fight in
(55:44) my whole life you know even in the schoolyards and everything I mean there were certain situations where I had to be physical you know but I was able to be physical and sell a situation in a way that didn’t require actual fighting and then you know one time there was just no choice you know the group of guys one of them slammed my fiance at the time her name was Caitlyn slammed her face into the side of my car and there was four of them and it was just the full Fury of everything that I was everything that I trained my whole life
(56:15) and you know it was it was a rough fight but you know we ended up on our feet and we were bloody but you know they ended up running away and and we were we were okay you know and so of all of the years you know of training martial arts there was only one instance where I had to use it thus far but the the feeling of confidence that I could change changed the very Foundation of my nature like I was I’m not I’m not scared in those situations and I’ve watched many times where there was an imminent conflict and I’ve stepped forward and
(56:49) been like if you want to do this you know like basically all my energy whatever I said is like if you want to do this this is going to go bad like this is going to go really bad for you and then I’ve watched a lot of people like recognize that and like back away especially people who have this kind of Street awareness of someone’s confidence you know like they recognize I was not prey and maybe they were confident in their ability as a fighter but they knew that this was no easy out that you know they better pack a lunch because I
(57:18) wasn’t going anywhere and this was going to be this was going to go down to the I was willing to fight to the death and I knew what I was doing and so those situations have really prepared me to be competent in a variety of situations and I’ll feel in my body when there’s a situation so I guess this is kind of an encouragement for you know training your sons to be competent in in martial arts there’s not a lot of times where you’re going to actually have to fight but there’s countless times where my confidence and my ability to has
(57:48) actually adjusted what happened in the situation so it’s an encouragement to like get your sons in in some kind of martial arts rating so that they’re they’re confident and that they can be a protector and I’ll feel things kind of even if I’m out drinking and I’m a little buzzed if I feel the energy get a little sketchy or predatory I see people kind of circling our group as I’ve been blessed to be around many beautiful women and for many years of my life and I’ll feel something happen I’ll feel a certain sobriety set in and I’ll feel
(58:19) myself become hyper aware of my surroundings and I put my drinks down and I’m like all right we’re in a situation that’s just just gotten a little bit tense and so I’m just I’m ready and I’m Vigilant you know that comes from you know competency awareness and just training the training myself to be able to handle a variety of situations and testing myself in in as many ways as possible that’s another thing is when I was 18 my father sent me on a psychedelic Vision Quest initiation 18 you know and so that’s a huge huge
(58:52) initiatory practice and continuing to do those initiations like I know myself in the Deep I know what’s going to happen if someone comes to fight me I know that I’ll come back and fight I know myself in confronting a demon in the Asal as well as a demon in the physical like I understand how to stand and how to fight and how to receive attack both physical or on social media you know which certainly for those of us who’ve been standing in the last four years you know or even recently as I stand for RFK like the arrows come and you know you just
(59:25) have to be ready to be like all right like this is the nature of the game oh yes oh yes that such such valuable that’s really an extraordinary like compendium of the elements that have made you who you are and I I heard a lot in there about a relationship to failure you know which I think is probably not being a man I imagine is one of the most important masteries is to develop you know like even when you got in trouble with the car my God I could just feel I think I did similar feel that moment of it was I actually tried to
(1:00:02) time travel in that moment I literally thought like if I close my eyes right and I with all my intent go back in time I’ll this will be a dream and I’ll wake up and this didn’t happen and I thought I almost got there your wizard archetype is coming out yeah I was like I’m going to time travel back and this is just a dream and it didn’t happen of course I was unsuccessful good but the you were received I mean that is an imprint around failure that totally is invaluable you know to be received in that way for your humanness and for your
(1:00:36) intention right I when we can be seen for Our intention even when we up even when we fail as men or women it makes all of the difference so I love I love hearing that it’s my last question you talked a little bit about your experience of Attunement like through your body vessel right to your environment and how so much of that inner awareness was cultivated like from a very young age for you and you know that I love David D’s teachings and he talks about how a man’s body right so you you and I both celebrate the
(1:01:16) differences between men’s bodies women’s bodies right and that a man’s body actually is a completely different terrain than a woman’s body and one of the challenges is in dietic you know heterosexual Dynamics is that we project and we conflate right and we can get into this egalitarian mindset of like well your body must feel like mine and my body must run you know like yours and he talks a lot about how a man’s body often can have like no emotions at all like nothing happening in there and I have done many many many family
(1:01:51) constellations group family constellations and I have not surprisingly been chosen as a father probably more than a dozen times like people’s fathers right so I have played that part and it’s probably the closest that I’ve come to having any empathic bridge to how different a man’s system might be you know if this field has you know validity and I happen to believe in it and what I would feel in those experiences is like like a cavernous like an echoey cavernous open vessel inside me that was not not the same as
(1:02:28) the numbness that I’m pretty familiar with and it felt different and so I thought to just ask you a bit about that you know like what is it like to be in a man’s body how do you imagine it’s different than you know what it’s like to be you know your woman in her body and particularly with regard to emotional energies right like do they just like fly on stage and you know require immediate supress ression or are they kind of just like rattling around in the background and you can pay attention or you don’t have to like what
(1:03:03) is it like on the daily to just be in a man’s body yeah it’s it’s not as dissimilar as I think you might imagine at least for me like I I’m also you know I’m a very watery being I have a very highly developed feminine so you know I cry in a film probably more readily than any of my Partners you know like oh um the tears are always close and I think that’s an element to you know my brothers that I also really appreciate is like I want to know that the tears are close to the surface because that means you’re really alive you’re really
(1:03:40) feeling and that’s I think one thing that gets reflected to me probably more than anything else is how often people have seen me in this in these vulnerabilities I mean my percentage of crying on podcasts is like absurd it’s got to be like 60% at least of every podcast like at some point I’ll reach tears because I really passionately feel you know and that’s part of my I went by the moniker Warrior poet and Warrior poet was like a guide star you know so like I have on my ribs that’s hard to see but it’s a big
(1:04:15) samurai and this represents my warrior and then I have my flowers my roses it’s hard to see here but roses which represents like the Deep feeling nature of who I am my grandmother on my other so even what I wear on my body is in Balance you know it’s just the warrior here and the grandmother and the moon and you know a necklace that my mother gave me and so I’m trying to cultivate that balance and within that balance I think I can really feel similarly to how the feminine feels because I’m in touch with my feminine I mean we’re all the
(1:04:48) body of the Goddess whether you have a or whether you don’t have a you’re still the goddess you’re still the mother you’re still made up of her parts of her recycled wolfer and shark teeth and hummingbird feathers and sweet grass and you’re all a part of the same thing so it’s it can and should be a lot more similar than I think people realize now we do have a and this is where the problems for me really have had probably the most work to work through is because I had a strong conflation and connection between my performance in bed
(1:05:25) with the you know firmness of my and if my let me down then like I was no longer a man and my was no longer able to meet the of you know the goddess and I let the goddess down and to me like letting the goddess down because I had such a beautiful relationship with my I love the goddess like my relationship with my mother and my grandmother were unbelievable and so my deep passion and love for the goddess like I want to please her and I learned from the masculine in unhealthy ways is that and I think culture says this that
(1:05:58) the way you please the woman is with a hard and like the vigorous the vigorous sexing that comes from you know penetrative sex and what I’ve really had to learn is to kind of separate my from my and unsurprisingly when I’ve separated my from my then my and my actually have no there’s no dissonance between them you know so it actually it actually moves in accord and that’s been some of the great teachings from some of the great teachers like Lila Martin you know and Liz leford and you know Emily Fletcher and mama Gina
(1:06:35) they’ll they’ll be trying to actually reconnect your essence to your by actually separating them first and understanding that this is your and that’s what’s important and that the woman can be ravaged by your regardless of what’s happening and so that’s been like a real journey for me and I feel like really blessed that I’ve made it through the other side of that Journey so I don’t go into any sexing with trepidation like don’t betray me now buddy like like we gotta be and there was this kind of like issue is be
(1:07:07) like no I’m gonna ravage you no matter what like whatever happens like you’re going to feel the fullness of my regardless of the situation and you’re going to know that you’re going to feel the you know the full feeling of being open by me regardless of whether we have penetration or not and that’s allow me just the freedom to take all of the pressure and anxiety that’s come with sexuality off the table and really like allowed me to step into the next level of my of my sexing and also my confidence as a man you know because
(1:07:42) it’s not related to my penis I just finished an interview for the podcast with River roaring who’s a sex worker former attorney and we talked about she calls it boner shame you know this agenda you know that is socioculturally imposed on boys where their their bodies are literally not allowed to animate naturally right and they have to stay within this like very structured disconnection you know this part of them their cannot be moving and inappropriate ways at any time in life right like she talks about how like a
(1:08:18) woman can walk down the street like feeling the breeze like looking at a flower dripping and that’s encouraged right it’s like so socially celebrated especially in this moment but a man’s supposed to be you know this this kind of man all the time or boy but when he gets into the bedroom that’s when the animates and only there right like that is very tall or no pun intended like that’s that’s not fair it’s not fair so I I’m so glad you’re talking about it because this you can’t be alone in encountering definitely not
(1:08:52) and surprisingly when I ever I Shar these discuss discussions like overwhelmingly men are like yeah like this is heavy you know this way is really heavy I just you know heard a story from a lover and the story was that you know her in her in a previous relationship her man was like very you know she he he basically had difficulty with his sexing so he would come like really fast he would like super premature ejaculation and then his response was to shame her for her sexual desire and then be like mean to her and
(1:09:31) distant and then start to Gaslight and like respond in these really toxic ways because he was intern he had so much internal shame that he would project it outwards and then so she’s had to like really come to terms and realize like wow that really me up actually you know and actually altered my connection to myself because of the way that you know the way that this whole situation happened and so there’s the sympathy for her for what she had to deal with and also like yeah that guy but also man that poor guy like that
(1:10:02) poor guy like what he was actually going through is deep and so intense and he obviously didn’t handle it in a good way but men don’t have anybody to talk to about that like that’s also one of the areas that until you get real friendship with people that you can actually share that kind of thing with you know they’re not going to like your brothers will be there to actually you actually have a place to talk to your brothers to talk to whoever about it like you have to be able to open up and discuss whatever
(1:10:34) happened you know I think of like someone like Kyle you know my friend Kyle kingsberry and like no matter what it is no matter what’s going on like we can always talk about it and laugh same with Aaron Alexander like no matter what it is we can talk about it and laugh and not laugh at each other but laugh together you know just be like yeah I know like like this is this is uh so I think just taking the shame that shrouds all of this in secrecy and keeps it in a black box and being able to open it up is the way that we heal through this
(1:11:05) stuff together I love it I love it and I’ve you know we’ve talked about how my my teacher Omar Pon says that men don’t need help feeling their feelings I think you have expressed that right like your heart’s here it’s here it’s open it’s ready it’s flowing and that what is needed for a lot of men is help reclaiming their spine right like help with that discipline with that healthy predatorial energy with that competition and you you model that so extraordinarily you are an inspiration to me and I know to so many people in
(1:11:36) your community that you touch on like such a humble level and I feel really really blessed to walk this path with you I’m so grateful that we got to chitty this conversation so I just want to yeah give you the mic one last time and for you to share like what you’re lit up about and what you’re working on what you’re putting your your vital force energy toward well the thing I’m most excited about right now is we have our Arcadia Festival and that’s going to be at Area 15 in the Valle not allowed to talk about this is it’s on the same
(1:12:07) weekend as my event oh never mind then because I invited Milana I invited your woman to my event in Miami and that’s when I learned about Arcadia no please share it’s a different different audience yeah so if you’re not going to Kelly’s event we’re we have just like unbelievable musical lineup unbelievable guests and we’re really just trying to Anchor in what it feels like to live in the kingdom in the more beautiful world and last year was just outrageous and I’m just really excited it’s it’s through fit for service but it’s a
(1:12:38) different container different program so yeah anybody interested fitfor service.com Arcadia with a K and yeah so if you’re not a Kelly’s then want to go have some fun it looks amazing as always I mean everything you do is just top shelf have fun we have fun oh my God yes you do so good thank you and I will talk to you soon all right sounds good
