YERASIMOS
The privilege of a lifetime is becoming who you are. What’s the process of getting to that place? I think radical self-honesty has to play a role.
I’m aware of the dark parts of me, the parts that can lie, cheat, steal, fantasize about killing someone because they wronged me. Becoming yourself fully yourself as best as you can is the spiritual mission.
Spirituality isn’t Let me go sit on a mountain somewhere and meditate and dissolve into the oneness of the world. Our life is an accumulation of every choice that we’ve made in our life. If you have a system that can shine a light, even 30 40% to help you make decisions that are a bit more correct for you, it’s pretty cool to think about how your life can end up.
KELLY
Hi, and welcome back to Reclamation Radio. I am Dr. Kelly Brogan, and today I sit down with a friend, an ally who. I sort of joke is like Prince, like he just goes by your Osmos. So that’s all you need to know. And I think he’s like pretty much the only one, at least in, in our shared space. And [00:01:00] I wanted to talk to him because he is one of the very few men out there, you know, he’s got his own, uh, podcast.
He co-hosts called here for the Truth. I’ve been blessed to join them several times and he really embodies the truth in a way that is, it’s quite rare in this space. His level of somatic awareness, his level of lightness and, and humor. I just feel like he’s an extraordinary template for how. To hold the truth with an open heart with lightness.
How to marry the pillars of autonomy and connection in dynamic. So we talk about the best tools for that and how to navigate when you are efforting towards connection with someone who does not see the world the way you do, which is a very [00:02:00] common question that I get. You know, how do I navigate with my family when, how do I get them to see how, how do we, how do we get on the same page if we’re coming from completely different worldviews?
We specifically touch on human design, on acting and performance and theater, and the psychological nuances therein on somatics and the. Requirements for this embodiment journey, particularly I think for a man. And you’ll also learn some fun facts about the relevance of Greek diners in New Jersey to both of us.
Enjoy. Welcome your Osmos to the show.
YERASIMOS
Thanks for having me. I’m looking forward to this chat.
KELLY
So we need to start at the beginning and for whatever reason, I don’t love starting podcasts with like, tell me your story. That’s not super compelling to me. So I usually have an agenda and I go in with my very pointed direct [00:03:00] questions.
But in your case, I really do want to start at the beginning because you and I share some fun fact, uh, historical, um, details, which include growing up in Greek diners. In New Jersey. Okay, so I cannot tabulate the number of hours that I spent on Route 17 with my homies in Greek diners, eating, you know, gravy, fries, and jello with whipped cream and grilled cheese.
We would intersperse like friendlies in there. If you remember friend’s, I’m sure that was like a competitor.
YERASIMOS
There was one in my town.
KELLY
And you know, to know that you, I mean, you were much deeper in that world, but to know that you are familiar with that culture just like warms my heart. And so I wanna, I wanna start with your time in Greek diners in New Jersey growing up and track along to the heart led [00:04:00] activists that you’ve become.
And I’ll use that phrase very lightly. I wanna unpack even what that means today to you because I feel so much similitude in our, in our journeys and. You know, my mom is Italian, so I have, you know, sort of even the, the generational immigrant like overlap and I, I’ve watched you. Over these couple of years since learning about, uh, your and Joel’s podcast here for the Truth, really come into a level of realness and authenticity that makes you one of my favorite people in the world.
I mean, you’re just impossible not to love and everyone who ever interacts with you feels that way. So it’s, it’s a pleasure to have you here and I’m gonna hand you the mic ’cause I wanna hear about the hero’s journey from, uh, from Jersey to the modern day.
YERASIMOS
It’s wild. Well, first of all, thank you for saying those words.
I really appreciate them coming from you ’cause I have utmost respect for you and the work that you’ve done that you continue to [00:05:00] do. So thank you for that. And I just love that you’re from Jersey and I love that you know about diners. ’cause people that don’t live in Jersey, they don’t really understand diner culture.
Sure. New York has its diners and other places, but Jer jersey, there’s something about it. And so yeah, I grew up in the diner business. My parents were both. Greek immigrants, you know, my dad came to this country with nothing and built up a successful restaurant business. And, you know, growing up in it is pretty interesting.
And the thing is too is, and I’ll just jump right into this ’cause there’s so many areas that can go with this. Stories, most immigrants, they want their child very often to like, follow the status quo. You know, do the right thing. You know, be a doctor, a lawyer,
KELLY
become a doctor. Exactly. Or a lawyer,
YERASIMOS
or do whatever the case may be.
And like, sure, I had some of that pressure from my parents, but I think even from a young age, there was something really like driving me towards being extra curious about how the world was and [00:06:00] like who was I as an individual, you know, that like eternal question, who am I and how do I, how do I wanna spend my life?
So, sure, I did well in school and I got the grades, but for me, I just couldn’t, I couldn’t go down that straight and narrow path. I did it right after college and worked for two years and this was. 2004, and I just said f it, like, I’m gonna jump into the unknown. Uh, I packed a suitcase full of books and I went to my parents’ home in Greece.
They have a place in Greece, and I did nothing, but for three months I did nothing but read books and, and, and take that time because I think that’s a big piece when we talk about figuring out who you are, what you want, what your purpose, what your values are, you need time for that. Like if you’re just on the hamster wheel, like ticking off the next box, the next box, like where do you have that space to go inwards, to contemplate, to be in nature, to be stimulated in that way, to ask these deep, you know, existential questions.
So I think that’s what it was for me. That was a big turning point in my life. [00:07:00] Um, well I guess the first one was I, you know, put a backpack on after college and backpacked Europe by myself for two months. And so again, that was part of it. I think travel and being on my own was a big piece of, of my own personal journey.
And then my path took a lot of different directions. You know, I was really into cinema and performance and storytelling because when I was younger, you know, you, we watch these movies and we get taken on these emotional journeys and I love being taken on these journeys. And for me I was like, I want to give people that, I want to have the capacity to use myself to tell stories, to impact people on an emotional level.
And so I got deep into acting training for years and that was when I was actually first introduced to like deep consciousness in psychological work. My first acting mentor, this was like in the mid two thousands, he was um, he was influenced by Dr. Hall, CiDRA Stone. Um, they created something called voice dialogue, like psychology of selves.
And they aware ego. So it’s a form of parts work. And so I fell in love with that stuff ’cause I was like, whoa. So I don’t have to [00:08:00] just like live out the conditioning of like my parents and society and the people around me. Like there’s more to who I am than just like. You know, who I like evolved into at that time.
And so obviously from a storytelling standpoint, the more aspects of yourself that you have access to, you know, the more you know characters that you can empathize with and connect to. But from a personal standpoint, it just helped me in life. It helped me to like project less and helped me to dance between the light and the dark.
And I really enjoyed that aspect of it. Uh, so that’s more on the personal development side, but in terms of like really standing for truth and being curious on what’s going on in the world, um, I mean, nine 11 did it for me. I mean, it was probably two years after that, uh, 2003, I don’t know when, like all the documentaries started coming out, but I started watching them and being like, wait, what?
Is this true? Are we being lied to, to this degree? And then you just pull on the threads. You know, you pull on the threads of the things that interest you. At least that’s what it was for [00:09:00] me. And that led me to, in 2005 reading, um, Dr. Kelly car, Mo’s autobiography, dancing Naked in the Minefield. And so I read a whole chapter on hiv aids and that and that book.
And I went, wait, who’s, who’s Peter Berg? Who’s Stefan Lanka? Who’s David Rasnick? Who are these people that are challenging this narrative that’s been going on for 30 years? Um, and my eldest half brother who passed away in 2008, he had been diagnosed with HIV. So when I first started getting to this information, I was like, let me change his mind.
Let me show him the light. Now, when I was reading that stuff, they weren’t talking about like, you know, no virus or terrain theory. It was more just like, Hey, HIV does not, um, cause. Aids and there’s all factors for it. So again, it’s like this one thing leads to the next thing and you start seeing this incestuous relationship between like media, the scientific establishment, the allopathic system, government.
And you know, I think I started kind of like sharing things on social media initially back then, and got a lot of [00:10:00] pushback. Um, and then continued to sharpen my sword, you know? ’cause I think part of this truth, seeking a truth telling journey, like you have to put yourself out there and then you get responses from your environment and that kind of determines how you then move forward and how you relate to yourself.
And so I remember the first time I posted was something about vaccines and people started coming on my page and like, I felt this pit in my stomach. I’m like, well, what is this? Like, what’s going on inside of me? Like, am I experiencing fear? How do I move through this? So yeah, it’s, it’s just been this like journey of self-education of.
I guess going towards things that I thought were interesting and I was curious about and talking out about it. Now, I don’t think I spoke out about it to the degree that maybe some other people do, but definitely in my personal sphere, in my relationships and online occasionally. But then like over time, you know, let’s fast forward to now, I mean post, post 2020, I mean 2020, it’s like we were on the front lines.
I mean, I must have been posting like 30 MEMS a [00:11:00] day, you know, like the front line. Yeah. And then it got, it just got to this point where it’s like, you know, what really matters in my life? And am I allowing my mind to be pulled towards things that don’t ultimately matter? And I, and I’m not saying like, stick your head in the sand and be completely like clues to what’s going on, but like, I’m trying to be a man in this world.
I’m trying to improve as a man. I’m trying to be a, you know, a good partner, a good husband, a good friend, like a good son. You know, and, and support the people in my life that I wanna inspire. And if I’m getting, if I’m giving all my energy away to all this stuff that’s happening all across the world, everywhere that’s being, um, uh, amplified by media, mainstream, alternative social media, like what does that say?
You know, what does that say to about me as a man? Like, I’m just getting distracted every direction and can’t just stay [00:12:00] focused on my deep rooted values. So it’s been a pretty cool journey to, um, of self, you know, to, I mean, I’m sure you can relate, like seeing who you were 10 years ago, 20 year ago, 20 years ago, five years ago, and today, and like, there’s times where I’m online and I see someone say something or post something and I have that, like, that hit from that old part of me.
It’s like, I need to go in there and, and prove them wrong and tell them what I know and hear myself speak, and I just go, but I don’t really, it doesn’t matter to me because I’m choosing to live according to my highest values as best as I can. And, you know, there’s 24 hours in a day I’m gonna spend five of ’em, five of them, like arguing with strangers and getting all worked up about things that, like I, I, I know what I know, I believe what I believe, and I’m living my life according to that.
And of course I’m open to things shifting and changing as I move forward. But I just feel like we see this in our, in our [00:13:00] environment, the, the i, the truther world where people are still behaving at the same level of consciousness that they were behaving at during 2020. That’s not something that I wanted for myself.
It’s not something that Joel’s about. It’s not something that the people that get attracted to are community friends of the truth. And in our program, rise. Well, they heard like they’re on a similar page. They wanna dive, they’re here for the truth. Sure. With things that are happening in the world, but primarily like what’s happening within themselves and who are they on the deepest levels and what’s their mission, what’s their purpose?
How do they wanna grow, how do they wanna embody that, that gift, you know, it’s like, I don’t, it’s a quote that’s attributed to, it’s attributed to young, young sometimes, but I think it was Joseph Campbell and it’s, you know, the privilege of a lifetime is becoming who you are. And so, you know, what’s the process of getting to that place?
And are you putting the attention and the gaze inwards, or are you constantly focused externally with the happenings of the [00:14:00] world? And so that’s kind of where I’m at now, where it’s, I am much more geared toward peace, harmony. Collaboration, contentment in my life as opposed to just arguing if you’re arguing sake, or to prove to myself or to get validation that like, oh, I know things and I’m, I’m showing people that I know things.
You know. Now, for some people, maybe that’s their highest value. They’re activists, they’re doing their thing. Cool. But I recognize that within myself, that’s, that’s not it. Like I wanna be in my garden. I wanna plant fruit trees, I wanna hang out with my cats and my dog, my wife, we just moved my mother in a few, uh, months ago after the passing my father last year.
And so that’s my focus. Um, and perhaps a child one day, if. If that works out. So, um, yeah, that’s kind of where I’m at right now.
KELLY
Yeah, it’s funny ’cause I often say that my shadow lives under the banner of I’ll get you to see. And when you’ve [00:15:00] been, you know, gifted certain gab and Yap related skills, it can become very tempting to spend a lot of your time getting people to see.
Right. And the energetic dynamics of that, as you’re referencing are the victim triangle. Right. It’s, it’s the leaking, the leaching of your energy from the creative life force that otherwise would be directing the focus of, of your life. And so it’s almost like the shift is from I’ll get you to see to like, I’m ready.
To see, you know, like meaning like internally. And I know that a lot of your interests, whether it’s somatics or parts work or human design, are all about that self-discovery, uh, journey. And part of why I love talking to you about this is because certainly I relate and I also. Hear you when you say, I’m trying to be a man in the world, right?
And [00:16:00] how it reads to a woman’s biology to witness a man who’s like red in the face, you know, like spitting about how, you know, bad the government is, or how persecuted, you know, we all are in oppressed or whatever. And, and it’s again, not that there isn’t a role for that, it’s not necessarily a judgment. I just am interested in the biological response that a lot of us women, um, register.
And it’s part of why, you know, listening to, to you talk about with your eyes open, how you relate to what’s up out there, right? You mentioned sort of the, the story behind the story of, of beginning with nine 11, right? Let alone the pandemic. And there’s just a way that you are able to hold it that feels relaxed and I think that.
If we wanna call it nervous system regulation, emotional regulation as it attends awareness, [00:17:00] we feel that right as like a community, we can register that very differently. And I often reference this time that my daughter is, a couple years ago that my daughter, I don’t know what I was talking about, probably fucking chemtrails or something.
And my daughter was like, mama, you are scared of so many things, right? And here I am thinking I’m this like valiant Joan of Arc Warrior, you know, pattern disruptor for my lineage. And she’s reading it in her body as I’m afraid. I didn’t feel consciously afraid, but of course that’s, you know, it’s like out of the mouth of of babes.
It’s really interesting to me too that when I think about our mutual friend, my best friend Tara, you know, we grew up together and when I think about like she’s in touch with a lot of our Ridgewood, like New Jersey cohort, right? And many, many, many of them are what you would call like truthers and most of them are second [00:18:00] generation kids, right?
’cause people think of, I think a lot of people assume New Jersey is like just like a bunch of white people or so, I dunno what people think, but most of our public school was second generation kids from like all over. And I find it super interesting, like, I wonder what it is about second generation folks in America now, like our generation, who have taken a different lens to things, a different than anticipated lens, which is, as you suggested, to sort of like comply and establish status, you know, in this new country.
Make it worth it that I left the motherland, you know, all of that. ’cause it’s, it’s notable, it’s notable to me that somehow, you know, you were cooking pretty much like 10 years before I even. Thought about any of this. Uh, so you are really on like the cutting edge, but it’s really interesting to me, especially about the AIDS denialism.
I was on the cover of page six once [00:19:00] because I went to this Gwyneth Paltrow event. Uh, I was invited to be on a panel with like all of these conventional doctors. I have no idea why this was in New York. And I ended up on, um, the cover of page six at least. It was like kind of a cute photo and it says AIDS Denialist goes to Goop event, or something like that.
This was like not even that long ago. It was before I left New York. So yeah, I managed to, uh, get, get swept up with that tide, uh, as soon as I open my mouth about it. But I I love our, our, our shared trajectory here. So I wanna talk about this like holding of both your own autonomous experience. ’cause I, my understanding is.
That men require a lot of time alone. Right? Like a lot of solitude, a lot of like what seemed to come naturally to you. I know anybody else who took three years to just discover and explore, I mean, we probably all could have benefited from that, but that’s extraordinary. [00:20:00] So how, how do you find, um, that you can strike the balance between that kind of autonomy and connection dynamics?
Like you mentioned so many relationships that you’re also nurturing and feeding and taking responsibility for in, in your life. Because I think that this like autonomy connection, dual pillars of intimacy thing is where most of us get lost in, if we wanna call it the truth movement because our autonomy, our sovereignty becomes paramount and we don’t have the soft relational skills.
Most of us, I’ll speak for myself around. Valuing connection, let alone supporting it across the divide. Right? Like across divergence. And that’s why we end up in a lot of these kinds of silos, right? Most of us have communities, even you do that we nurture because it [00:21:00] feels really good to be around like-minded and hearted people.
And it’s not to say that that isn’t 1000% natural, it’s just that the soft relational skills combined with the maturation of your I am right? Like your autonomous individual like convictions, um, seems tough to balance. Like have you struggled in your personal or professional life with that balance, or is it, has it been maybe even from your acting career that you have this emotional intelligence that allows you to relate to people who just don’t see what you see?
YERASIMOS
You know, I think it takes time. You know, I don’t think all of a sudden you’re gonna like be awakened to something in the world and then immediately be like high level emotional intelligence, nervous system regulated so you can respond appropriately to things. It takes time. And don’t get me wrong, I have my moments, you know, like ask my wife, you know, like I’m, I’m very fiery and passionate too, so I can go off on my rants.
But again, like [00:22:00] having a moment at home versus how you also like, interact with people and in community is different. Um, I don’t know if my Gemini nature has, uh, instilled some baseline communication skills. Um, having, you know, loving parents, you know, I think helps to build a certain baseline of, um, I don’t know, good emotional health.
Uh, which I think has helped for, helped me. And again, over the years, like I was really into parts work. Like parts work was my initial. My initial kind of foray into personal development work. It wasn’t like, oh, I got really into New Age spirituality and read like, you know, um, the power of Now. Like I was really interested in the architecture of the psyche and how it related to me and how it impacted interpersonal relationship with myself, obviously, and interpersonal relationships.
And so I think having that ability to kind of hold space for opposites [00:23:00] within and dance with them has allowed me to, you know, over time just become more comfortable because it’s not like a conscious process after a while. Like, you’re living your life, you’re doing the work, you know, you’re receiving a lot of body work.
You’re, you’re, you’re learning about nervous system regulation. You’re going through your own process to like build more capacity within your nervous system. You’re learning about human design, at least for myself and learning about like my unique authority. Where it’s like important for me to wait before making decisions or reacting.
In order to do that, you need to have some, you need to be able to have some space between stimulus and response. And so I think it’s just been this process over time where then I’m just, I’m just living, like, I just, I just go out and live and, you know, someone reacts a certain way and then there might be a moment where an old pattern wants to come in and, you know, yell at the person or like beat them over the head with knowledge.
And then there’s something else like, well, this doesn’t matter to me. I’m gonna go on and continue my day. So I think like it’s just, um, [00:24:00] it’s a process. Ofs, putting your time and energy into inner work, whatever that means. You know, obviously there’s so many modalities out there, there’s so many systems out there.
But at the end, at the end of the day, the highest value for me has always been self-knowledge. I mean, not always, not when I was like four years old, but you know what I mean? Once I became like more of an adult. It was the highest value for me. And you know, the great Greek, uh, philosopher Aristotle says, knowing yourself is the beginning of all wisdom.
And so, you know, that landed for me when I came across that quote. And so I was just really curious about my inner life, why I behaved the way I behaved. You know, I mean, even like in my early relationships, you know, in my twenties, like I wasn’t like, I thought I was a good boyfriend, but I, I had patterns that weren’t ideal.
Like, I grew up with a really like stoic, like old school Greek dad, which was good in some ways, but also like my dad would like shush my mom, you know what I mean? In, in ways that like, you know, [00:25:00] I would notice myself doing those things and then I’d go back home for dinner and see my mom, my dad do it to my mom, and I’m like, oh, fuck, I do that shit.
Then you go, well, I don’t wanna be the person that does those things, so what do I need to do to not do those things? And so, you know, as I, as I live right now, it, it, I do my best to have balance between sharing things and talking about things that are happening in the world. But ideally, the things I care about most is guiding people and inspiring people to, again, like I said earlier, turn that gaze inwards, you know?
And yes, I was fortunate. I had three months of backpacking through year, through Europe. And then in 2008 I took all my savings and backpacked around the world for a year and traveled and like loaded up my first generation Kindle with like 40 books and, you know, sat in parks all day and read books and contemplated and reflected, you know, and not everyone can make that time for themself.
And at the [00:26:00] same time. You don’t need three months. You don’t need a year to backpack. You know, you can take moments out of your day, you know, how much Netflix are you watching? How much time are you doom scrolling on Instagram? You know, and you have to really work hard against these, you know, the way our, our psyches have been hijacked to turn towards these things.
And again, I’ve been, I’ve binge watched Netflix again, I’m not sitting here saying like, I’m perfect and that I have it all figured out. But you have to first have the self-awareness. That’s one. But self-awareness doesn’t then mean you’re gonna change your action. You know? That’s the difference, you know, between just awareness and being more conscious and having the ability to choose differently.
That’s the difference. And when you start seeing, ugh, for years I would react this way, but now I’m not reacting this way. And so that light bulb goes off and you’re like, okay, I’m noticing shifts and changes. And it can’t just be a cerebral act. This is why I’m such an advocate of somatic work. I was a body worker for years.
It’s like so much lives in the soma. You know, [00:27:00] our, our history, our past, the traumas we’ve experienced. You know, what’s our baseline state? You know, are we stuck in a certain state? Do, or do we have more capacity to react more appropriately? Like there’s a time to go into sympathetic, but then once the threat or the stimulus is passed, do you then come back to a baseline and can go through your day or, you know, some event happens, someone says something to you and you’re just like outta whack for a week, you know?
And so again, it’s been a process and I think radical self-honesty has to play a role. Like, I, I do my best to go in front of my mirror and ask myself like, where are you fucking bullshitting yourself? You’re Amos, you know, because it’s easy. I think sometimes when like you learn things and you can read stuff and study, you almost like have this part that can play a role of like, oh, I’m smart and conscious and I know what to say and do at the right time to come across a certain way.
And it’s like, okay, cool, that might help you in certain things, but are you being real? Does that make [00:28:00] sense?
KELLY
Of course it does. And you know, you say you don’t have it figured out, but the reason I’m literally having this conversation with you is because I can feel in my system that you have figured out more than most in this arena.
And it makes so much sense that your focus on, first of all, not only your experience in the like acting world. I mean I think that’s such a relevant, uh, like point of departure for you, but also your work in parts work and somatic. This is how you’ve gotten to the place where you can emotionally regulate around your triggers, around your, uh, potential reactivity and maintain.
A level of awareness, right? Because part of what I am grappling with, I guess at this stage in my life is like, I, like I could not be less interested in what’s in the news or trending. Like I literally like, don’t even tell me, I don’t care. I assume [00:29:00] it’s all theater and crisis actors and whatever else, false flags.
I’m not interested. And so then there’s this part of me, right, that says, yeah, but this is just an easy way for you to not to disconnect, you know, from the collective. It’s an easy way for you to like, you know, self isolate. And I think that parts work. I wonder what you, what you think about parts work and activism because parts work has helped me profoundly to, in a very compassionate way, expose.
The shadow of my own activism, right? For me to see what, what parts were responding to old hurts, okay. From decades and decades ago, and acting that out on the world stage, literally, like in my case, as one of the disinformation doesn’t, right? So
YERASIMOS
congratulations on that, by the way.
KELLY
Well, you know, when I, when I look at it now, I just sort of laugh because I’m like, oh, I, I know the [00:30:00] part who was pulling those strings and whatever was going on in the world while captivating, while compelling, while even important.
It had nothing to do with my covert intentions and motivations, which were all rooted in a very remote past. Okay? So if you don’t know parts work, if you haven’t been. Exposed to this concept that there are different aspects of ourselves that guide our behavior and that often we’re not aware that they’re doing what they’re doing for a good reason.
Like how might you explain to somebody that, that the motivations to speak the truth, to share the truth, to educate the ignorant out there to even like save the world, could be deeply rooted in old hurts. Like how would you, how have you experienced that? Like how would you explain that to somebody assuming you agree that it’s [00:31:00] even relevant?
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YERASIMOS
I mean, I, I do agree. I mean, I definitely think like if there’s a real charge behind doing something, it’s a part of you. Now, it could be a part of you that can bring, bring you success, bringing notoriety, um, but you’re standing on one leg. You know, you’re not standing on two feet. Like what’s on the other side?
You know, let’s just like, again, we live in this kind of dualistic world, and so if you’re over identified with like, I’m the activist, I’m going to every single event, I’m railing on social media all day. Like where in [00:33:00] you is the part that’s like. I don’t need to respond, I don’t need to engage. I want to, you know, go for a walk instead.
You know, I want to go take a nap in, uh, in a park. You know what I mean? Whatever. I mean, you can go re really opposite and be like, completely apathetic, doesn’t care about anything. Just gimme my Netflix, giving me my fast food, giving me my video games. You know what I mean? And so, you know, I think it’s, um, I think a great way that I was taught to really kind of, um, get more insight into our, like disowned selves.
So that was a, a term coined by Nathaniel Brandon, you know, the father of self-esteem and Helen Sidra used that word, that word in their work of like opposite from the primary self. So like a primary part of your being. So the disowned self is more repressed. It’s like really pay attention to like the harsh judgements that you have, like the qualities that you really judge or overly admire.
And there’s si there’s a signaling back to you. So if [00:34:00] you’re like. Speaking the truth and sitting there judging everyone who isn’t doing what you’re doing and the way you’re doing it, it’s probably a signpost that there’s imbalance within your sense of self, within your psyche. And so, and I think you see a lot of people flip flop, you know?
So even, um, lemme give a good example. The person who’s been like living this debauch life, working hard, playing hard, New York City, wall Street person, whatever, and then all of a sudden a year later they’re like in India and they’re wearing like a, a robe and they’re meditating all day. Do you know what I mean?
It’s like a complete flip of like your primary, like self structure I guess you can say. Uh, and so for me, like I still dabble, like there, I, I still have a conscious relationship with the part of me that like wants to know. And in my community, you know, we have a, we, we have a telegram community of like, we have like 35 different topic threads in there.
That go into like nervous system, they go into conspiracy, [00:35:00] geopolitics, German new medicine, astrology and human design, a whole bunch of stuff. And so like, there’s moments where it’s like, oh, like let me share some stuff in geo what’s going on in geopolitics today, but I’m not spending all this time, I’m not then reading a message and going, Ugh, I need to go find this answer and go research it for the next, and then go back and tell everyone, because it doesn’t really, it’s not really impacting my life.
And I’m not operating from at least what I consider to be really high values of mine. And even from a human design standpoint, I don’t wanna get into it, but the, depending on elements of your chart, many people, there’s a conditioning influence where they’re, where they are literally focused on things and answering everybody’s questions and, and putting their energy towards things that don’t matter.
And so I noticed I was doing that more, I, I, I mean, or I had done that a lot in the past. And so again, it’s just getting more clear with like, who in you is acting? Who in you is speaking, who in you is. Doing the things that you’re doing. You know, and this is why I like the different, um, elements of parts [00:36:00] work because we, there is this multiplicity within us.
Now, we can get into the reasons why and go back to like ancestral trauma and all these things. But there is, um, there are, there are many eyes, you know, like for instance, if I were to ask you like, tell me about yourself, you know, are you or anyone else, they like, well, I am, uh, I’m interested in this. I’m, I’m kind, I’m compassionate.
Like, you list out these qualities that very often are, are highlighting like the main elements of your personality structure, but there’s so much more there, you know, what is on the other side. And I find that the more charged you are, the more judgmental you are. It’s just a signpost that there’s, there’s something within you that you have yet to kind of unearth and, um, uncover and embrace.
And so I like dancing between opposites. And it doesn’t mean I’m behaving like I, like I’m aware of the dark parts of me. I’m aware of the parts that can lie, cheat, steal, you know, like fantasize about killing someone because they wronged me. Do you know what I mean? But [00:37:00] acting on those things is what is the difference?
You know, it’s like, do you choose a more conscious path? Do you, do you respond appropriately to life? Which is the essence of self-esteem and the essence of nervous system regulation. You know, they, they go hand in hand like, what is a more appropriate response to life? And do you have access to parts of you that can support you in different life situations to do that?
Lemme know if that made sense.
KELLY
Totally. Yeah. I mean, it’s been very humbling, I think, and I’m sure you would agree to meet those darker parts with darker base intentions that were pulling the strings beneath these valorized parts that were doing good for the world and humanity and, and you know, expressing my dharma and that humility has.
Has led me to resolve a good degree of superiority that I felt over the ignorant, right, over those who had not yet been brought to my [00:38:00] truth. And again, whether that was about health or like all those channels in your, in your telegram, I mean, you, you name the subject, I had an opinion on it and the superiority walking around with that sense of superiority, it’s one of the greatest burdens I would say, um, that I have shed, because at this point I really don’t feel well.
The, the part of me is still there. However, most of the time I’m able to hold it in concert with this other part that, that really isn’t Sure I know better. You know, how things should be or how certain I am about all of the truths that I’ve come upon. And it’s, it’s led to a good degree of, you know what, in psychology we call like identity diffusion.
Um, this sense of like, well, if I don’t hold onto those things, you know, what is my worth? And what I hear you saying is that you’ve [00:39:00] been practicing all these years. Like a kind of embodiment of the truth that’s very different from speaking the truth. And I would say I’ve only been at that for a couple of years now, that that’s been my priority.
It’s like, how does the truth feel in my body? How do my kids read my body? Right? Like, how, how do my friends read my body? Like there is perhaps a reason that most of my blood relatives when I went on my activist, you know, uh, crusade 15 years ago, were like really distancing themselves, right? And it’s not because they couldn’t handle the truth, it’s because of what it must have felt like to be around my un attuned system.
I don’t know. That’s my guess. So, yeah. I wonder if you could speak a little bit to like embodying versus speaking the truth, because again, I do see and feel you as somebody who, who’s got this. On far better lock than, than most
YERASIMOS
thanks. Um, yeah, I think again, it’s like that saying not, [00:40:00] it’s not what you say, it’s how you say who in you says it like your vehicle.
How, how is it coming across? And, you know, all I can say is it’s just been, it’s like I keep saying it’s been a process, you know, like, I mean, hundreds of hours of deep body work breaking down armoring nervous system work, you know, time and contemplation, feeling my feelings. I mean, that’s another thing.
It’s like, oh, you’re a man. Don’t feel your feelings. Like sure there’s a time and place on how you should express them. You know, I think, you know, wallowing in your vulnerability, um, in a group of people or in front of your woman is probably not the ideal thing to do. But like, there are situations where you can do this.
And so like I’ve been someone that has like done whatever work I’ve done up until this point to really become very comfortable with the depths of my humanity and my heart. And my vulnerability and to do the best I can that even when I’m speaking things like very convicted is to bring, is to like fuse [00:41:00] different parts together, you know?
And so like when we used to do, um, in the work, I did voice dialogue, which was a process of, of like literally moving over to different seat. And then a facilitator would interview that part of you, and then you would talk about yourself in the third person. So you can really just be that part and you’d go back to the center, have a conversation, then maybe go to an opposite, and then you go back to the center and almost like you’re dialing in.
You’re like, oh, let’s bring in 80% of this and see what it feels like in my being. Okay, let that out. Let’s bring in 80% of this. Like for instance, my first, my first voice dialogue session was with my first acting mentor, um, who really I, I could, I, um, give him credit to having such a huge impact on my life.
He introduced me to Dr. Halen Sid’s work. He also was an, uh, AIDS dissident. So he, he told me about Dr. Kara’s book that I read immediately. Um, and a lot of acting exercises we did were like crazy exercises to really see where you had emotional blocks and inhibition. So my first session with him, [00:42:00] you know, we worked on the people pleaser.
Like I was, I was raised by a Greek mom, you know, I grew up in the church. Like, you know, there’s a lot of, um, conditioning around, like sacrificing who you are in order to take care of other people. And so I was a great people pleaser. I was always attentive to everyone’s needs, you know, I was aware of what people needed growing up in the restaurant business, you kind of have to be, you know, a people pleaser.
Um, and so I remember when he mo he’s like, let’s talk to that part of you. And I was just like there, standing up straight with my hands, behind my back, like, like being interviewed. And then we went back to the center, he said, what feels differently now? And it’s like, that was like that first moment of separation.
Like, oh, this is just a part of me. It doesn’t have to be, it’s not me. You know what I mean? And so then he is like, well, let’s move to an opposite. And I had no idea it was gonna come. I moved somewhere in the room, I stood up and I fucking talked about myself. I’m like, fucking your Osmos. He’s a little bitch.
He apologizes for everything. You know? He will go to a restaurant and get a well done [00:43:00] steak when he ordered a medium rare steak, and then he’ll apologize to the server. Like it was just part of me that was part self-focused, that cared about my needs and what I needed. And it was like this, like this, this part of me that just came out
KELLY
and that was war, right?
Like, ’cause it’s these inner conflicts with the other people pleaser part,
YERASIMOS
because that’s, that part of me was there, you know, it would come out in moments very often. It just like shoots out, but there’s not a conscious relationship to it, you know? And so it’s kind of just there, like underneath, you know, more, more in the subconscious.
And then to have it come out and then to sit there with them both on my side and to like tune into one and then let it go tune into the other. That kind of began, it wasn’t just a cerebral process, it was an energetic process. I mean, at that point in my life, I hadn’t gotten deep into like somatic work and body work, but there was, there was an essence of that.
And so again, like how do you have a clear container, you know, life force flowing through you as best as you can. You know, [00:44:00] being able to have capacity and a, a larger window of tolerance to hold both, you know, or even to feel discomfort or feel like, you know, states that like would be judged by society and, you know what I mean?
And so it’s like this, it’s, it’s been that, that process for me, and I continue it. Now, that being said, I have general aspects of who I am that are primary part of my essence. You could talk about astrology, you could talk about human design, you could all talk about all that stuff. But within that framework.
You know, what’s what, what else is there? You know, what else can I tune into and feel into? And so this embodiment process is one, connecting to your body, understanding physiology. Like this is where I think education matters. Like I’m such an advocate of education and knowledge, like, but it’s not just having knowledge for knowledge sake.
How do you apply it into your life? And so I think learning about like the physiology of your nervous system is important because then you can start going, ah, [00:45:00] this thing happened in my life. Oh, I totally shut down. I totally disassociated. And then you can kind of, again, have more awareness and bring yourself to a place where you can like figure out what needs to be done to.
You know, become more whole to, you know, to become more regulated, to build capacity, to understand what parts were present, you know? And because I think what all this helps too is like, we’re social beings. We’re in relationship, and so shit’s gonna happen. This isn’t about not having conflict, this isn’t about not bickering, but what happens after it?
Like, do you, do you step away? Do you take personal responsibility? What’s the repair like in your relationship? Like, I’m very grateful that my wife and I, we are masters of repair. We don’t get into too much stuff, but when shit happens, like we’ve been together 10 years and I don’t think anything has lasted more than 45 minutes.
Like, where she’s like, I’m not talking to you for five days. Like, I mean, there’s just like, and we can say some, some shit to each other, but then I usually step away and I’m like, [00:46:00] fuck. Like, what was going on? And I’ll go back, I’m like, listen, you know, I’m, I’m sorry. I like, I. Hurt your feelings, you know? And then she’s usually like, yeah, I was, I was stressed out.
I’m sorry, I, I control, I was trying to control you. You know what I mean? And so it’s like each party in partnership needs to do the best of their ability to deal with their own shit, not project it on the other, take responsibility. And then after something happens, come back together and communicate as healthily and rationally as possible with a foundation of love and acceptance there.
And that’s the thing, it’s like, you know, smart people, we could just talk at people, but when you know things, you could just, verbal diarrhea. I don’t mean diarrhea, like, I just mean like, we’re just like, I know I have the answers. I’ll fix your problems. Just listen to me and everything will go well. Most people don’t wanna be talked at.
Like, I hate it. Like, I immediately go like, all right, whatever. You know? But if you have the strength of knowledge and wisdom, and then just bring in like 30% of heart and [00:47:00] communicate that way, how does that land with someone? You know, and so I, I, I’m continually trying more and more to, to be more balanced in my communication and allow like the depths of who I am as a man to come through as I hopefully communicate knowledge, wisdom, and something that can help a person, you know, in their inner life with themselves.
But I think most importantly, not most importantly, but also importantly, like their relationships. You know, we all, we, we want healthy relationships. We want community, we want partners. And it’s like, but that starts within and to, to that, to, to understanding ourselves to that level of nuance is the mission.
Becoming yourself fully yourself as best as you can is the spiritual mission. Like spirituality isn’t, let me go sit on a mountain somewhere and meditate and dissolve into the oneness of the world. Sure, that’s a cool experience you can have, [00:48:00] but like the mission is to become more of who you are. To embrace more of who you are, to love and accept yourself in all its glory and contradictions, and hopefully build enough understanding and fluidity to, you know, hopefully respond to life events as best as you can so you can get the things that you want.
Because at some point you have to look at your life and see what the state of your life is and go, the proof is in the pudding. Like if you don’t like the work you’re doing, if you don’t, if you’re not happy with your relationships, like, okay, sure you can blame the world. Sure, you can blame mom and dad, you know, you can blame your past partner.
But what are you doing about it?
KELLY
Totally. And that, that was actually a huge, huge aspect of what I began to awaken to in the activism space because we were all, so, especially like the Antip pharma activist space, we’re all so focused on the common enemy. And most of our personal lives, relational lives were just dumpster [00:49:00] fires.
I mean, I, I think I can even generalize about that. And so when you talk about the radical personal responsibility, you know that you believe in, that you embody, and you, you marry that with an emotional maturity, you know, and, and self-regulation, emotional mastery. Now you’re talking about the, the skills required to.
Deepen real life relationships, right? So you’re talking about like your actual life, your actual real lived experience of relationships that isn’t the imaginal realm of projected parts, you know, out there, um, enemies and heroes and, you know, idealized and, and vilified characters. So to totally, totally feel you on that.
I, I want to sort of double click on human design because I know that it [00:50:00] informs how you live your life, how you run, probably your business, um, and a lot of the decisions that you make. And as somebody who is a fan but not an expert, I am curious about this lens. Uh, and the. The primacy that it has in your worldview, and also just sort of like some practical examples of, of the kinds of decisions that you make because of it.
YERASIMOS
Yeah, sure. Well, first of all, I’ll, I’ll say I’m not an expert in human design, but I still know more than most people ’cause most people don’t even know what human design is. You know, and it’s, I got introduced to it 11, 12 years ago, I think first, but it wasn’t until like, maybe eight, nine years ago where a couple teachers of mine, um, were into human design.
That’s also where I met my wife Sophie. Um, and so, uh, yeah, it’s just like I said earlier, self knowledge is a high value of mine. And so anything that’s out there in the world, that’s gonna allow me to really tune in and understand myself on a deeper level and stake my flag in the [00:51:00] ground even more and go, you know, this is who I am and get out of the compare and contrast game, I’m an advocate for it.
You know, there are people that are into gene keys or into astrology. There’s numerology, there’s Meyer Briggs test, there’s a enneagram, there’s a whole bunch of stuff that can allow you to get a deeper kind of like, uh, a deeper sense. Human design was something that just landed for me. I thought it was very practical.
Uh, I liked the, the, the elements of it, like strategy and authority, which is like your unique way based on your type on interacting with the world and authority is your unique decision making process. And so about 51, 50% of the population, again, according to, you know, the people in human design and what, and what they say, um, uh, have an emotional authority.
And so that means that they are always existing on an emotional wave. Now the type of wave depends on your chart. We don’t need to get into that. We’re always existing on an emotional wave. And so it’s very important for these people to not make decisions when they’re at the height of the wave or the low of the wave.
If you’re super, super excited and lit up [00:52:00] or if you’re like super, super down, like it’s important to give yourself time to move through the emotional wave, to get data points as you’re along the way. And when you get to a place of more emotional clarity. Decide, it might not be a hundred percent clarity, it might be 80%, 90%, but it’s more of like a feeling based, uh, decision.
But over time, because emotional intelligence happens over time, it’s not in the moment. Like emotional reactivity is usually not like intelligent, if you know what I mean. It’s like sitting with and taking time, um, and being with your emotional life is where you can get more clarity. And so just a great example of this, you know, when I met Sophie, we were, we both kind of knew a little bit about human design and we’re both emotional authorities.
And so in the first year of our relationship, she tried to break up with me three times because at that point in my life, I was very, I was operating a little bit more maybe outta the Peter Pan archetype, I don’t know, maybe slightly Casanova [00:53:00] constellation in from a g and m standpoint. And I was like, you know, I don’t, we don’t need to get married.
Like, it’s cool. We’re just enjoying ourselves, we’re having fun with, Sophie was someone who, like, she wanted to experience marriage. Um, and so the third time that happened, we had gone to some relationship workshop and when we came back, like, you know, she was pretty clear like on ending the relationship and, you know, we had a pretty like emotional intense conversation.
And um, but then I, at one point I said, listen, we’re both emotional authorities. Like let’s just sleep on it. You don’t need to make this decision right now. And so we went to bed and then she woke up, she’s like, thank God we didn’t break up. You know, and so I think like what happens very often is we can get so pulled into the emotions of our life, the experiences that we have in the moment, and think this is it.
I have to quit the job, you know, I have to end the relationship. And sometimes you have to ultimately, don’t get me wrong. But a lot of the times it’s like if we just gave ourself [00:54:00] time
KELLY
to get to neutrality. Yeah.
YERASIMOS
To get to neutrality as best we can. It’s like this saying like, don’t send the email right away.
Don’t write the text right away. And I practiced very early on as I was trying to, as I was continuing to experiment with this, is that, let’s say someone came into my dms to be like, you’re an anti-vaxxer. Like, I immediately have that part that wanted to come in and like, you know, argue with them. I would take out my phone, I would pull out my notes and I’d, you know, I’d give that part its voice and I’d write down some stuff.
I’d go home, I’d go sleep on it. The next day I’d come back, I’d look at my phone, I’m like, okay, I could delete 70% of that and then reword the other 30% and send that or not send anything. And so like it’s really helped me, um, understanding that this is an aspect of who I am to wait, but. It doesn’t happen like it’s magic.
Like have you done more embodied work? Have you done nervous system work to even give you the cap to [00:55:00] not respond based on pattern behavior to a stimulus and, you know, repeat, you know, keep doing things over and over. Or you might get a hit of a part that wants to come in and go, you know, not today. Let’s, let’s pull away, let’s be with ourselves.
Let’s let some time pass 12 hours, 24 hours, whatever. And then let’s see how you feel. And so that has helped me, um, have a lot less drama in my life. And even with the people that I’ve given readings to. ’cause I still give one-on-one readings, but primarily I do it through, um, in our rise above the her coaching program is like really understanding human design through the basic lens of your unique style of decision making.
Is pretty cool to at least practice. ’cause again, human design, they call it like the experiment. So you just take your time and you experiment with it and see how you can decondition ways that don’t ultimately belong to you and step more into, uh, more correct ways of living, behaving, acting in the world.
And like I said before, what does your life look [00:56:00] like? Then, you know, it’s like, are you making these shifts and changes and then realizing, oh wow, I’m having healthier relationships, or I’m doing work that inspires me more. And that’s, that’s like, do you answer the call in your life to be more of who you are or are you still worried and concerned?
Are you playing small? I don’t wanna dis disappoint my parents. I don’t wanna disappoint my friends, you know, especially early on in this stage. Now, again, like I said, like there’s a lot of things I don’t say because I don’t want to say them. And I’d rather have a peaceful, harmonious, harmonious relationship, especially with certain friends and family that maybe don’t agree on everything.
But if you’re like earlier on in your journey and like you need to like kind of stake, stake some claim to who you are, it’s gonna be a little messy. You might speak out more, you might do things that other people aren’t gonna like, but then you need that feedback so then you can see what’s happening inside of you again, continue that.
The, the dance of life.
KELLY
Totally. Absolutely. Yeah. It’s, [00:57:00] um, it’s amazing to be able to work with this modality. ’cause I’ve, I’ve had a number of readings myself and I, I have trouble sort of grasping the complexity and nuance in a way that allows me to like really apply it. And I could just hear, you know, the lucidity that you bring to it, it must be extraordinarily helpful as a framework, you know, to bring.
YERASIMOS
I will say that that’s the one thing I really appreciate and I kind of pat myself on the back, is like, and even my jean keys says this about me, like. Part of what I think I’m good at is taking like esoteric and out there concepts and making them practical. ’cause I care about practicality again, as a five one profile in human design.
It’s like, how can I provide practical solutions to problems in the world? And so, and I do, I know every single little detail about the variable and all these other things in human design. Like, no, I can look some of that stuff up. But in terms of foundational stuff that I think a person can apply into their lives, start applying into their lives, that’s my focus.
And so if you understand your type, again, there’s four types or five types. If you include [00:58:00] mgs, you know, manifesters projectors, reflectors, generators, and manifests and generators, you know, understand the unique, like the unique elements of that, you know, that can bring value to your life. You know, strategy and authority.
Each type has its own strategy. And again, I, I don’t want to get into all the details of that, you know, that can provide information for you to go, huh, let me experiment with this. I already mentioned authority. Like, you know, think of your life. Okay. Our life. You can say outside of maybe some things out of our control, especially early on in our life, is an amalgamation or a, an accumulation of like every choice that we’ve made in our life.
And so if you have a technology or a system that can even shine a light, even 30 40% to help you maybe make decisions that are a bit more correct for you, I mean, it’s pretty cool to think about. How your life can end up. That being said, I’m not a dogmatist. There are a lot of amazing people that have lived awesome lives [00:59:00] without human design.
KELLY
Yes.
YERASIMOS
Okay. So, you know, and I think a lot of people that get into a lot of these systems, they start seeing everything through that lens. And it’s like they go on one date with a partner and they’re like dissecting their chart and, and sharing all the reasons why they’re gonna have babies and live together for, you know, the next 50 years after one date.
You know? Cool. If you do that, like I just, I feel like we can get so attached to these systems at some points. Like you learn the knowledge and you just kind of let it go.
KELLY
Becomes a religion. Yeah.
YERASIMOS
It does become a religion. Like anything else, like anything, anything else, you can, you can pick up any book or, or study with any teacher and it becomes the gospel and it’s like anything that’s not, that is the enemy or not, it’s not the real truth.
And it was like, how many lives have been lived? How many amazing lives? People that like didn’t know parts for it, people that didn’t know human design, people that didn’t, you know, know about a lot of the stuff that we talk about. But these systems are becoming more popular now, and I think for a [01:00:00] reason.
And I do think they have value and they’ve definitely, um, helped me out in my life. And I think from a relational standpoint, the fact that my wife and I like, understand each other’s human design, you know, I’m a generator, a pure generator. She’s a projector. We share the same authority. I, I think it’s helped us, you know, and like anything, if you speak, if you have a similar language to talk about things, it’s gonna be beneficial.
Um, so, so yeah. So it’s, it’s, it’s a piece of the work that I do. Um, it’s included in, um, our 10 week program and even our new offering we have, which is a six month container where, you know, people can, they get a reading with me and they also, you know, have me to ask questions about the human design chart, the whole period, because I like it.
I love. I can de out on some of this stuff, you know?
KELLY
Totally amazing. Last question I wanna ask you is, I know your community is men and women, and I wanna speak to the part of you that [01:01:00] sees things maybe that others don’t, uh, which has been a strong part of you most of your life, and ask you, you know, what you would tell modern man, right?
So like, what is it that you imagine the men of the world, uh, are in a position to remember? Because a lot of, you know what I imagine my, the whole point of what I’m doing here is in service of is, is supporting women in. This remembrance, right? Whether it’s around the biological imperatives or relational dynamics.
And I wonder, I wonder what you have come to conclude are some of the most important things that you think men, men could use a reminder about at this, at this point in time?
YERASIMOS
Well, I mean, first and foremost, you gotta get a handle on your emotions, you know, whatever you have to do. And, and that doesn’t mean bringing them to your partner.
You know, you have to figure out what you gotta do. Whether [01:02:00] you have to go, you know, work with someone privately or be amongst men and get real and keep it real, and then work on your body, you know, break down a lot of the, the armoring that exists. Like, you gotta hand get a handle on your emotions. Um, because if you’re just reacting in every little thing, like how is your partner gonna feel contained and safe, uh, which I think is the most important thing is something I’ve learned.
You know, ’cause I’ll be honest, I, I was raised by a Greek mom. I had a little bit of mama’s boy energy, and I had to work through a lot of conditioning around that in early relationships where I just wanted kind of like to be taken care of. You know, I’m sure it feels good to some degree, but ultimately it’s like, I want to be someone who is as solid as I can be.
And so my wife can just melt, you know, melt into me and feel protected and feel safe. Uh, so that’s one thing. Um, also be lit up about who you are and what you’re doing in the world. You know, IE purpose, like, what’s your purpose? [01:03:00] What do you, what do you doing? What do you have to offer? And this isn’t about just like you need to have, you need to make all the money in the world, you know?
But Sure. It’s like, what can you do to bring value into the world and receive value for that so you could provide to a certain level. Um, so yeah, purpose, you know, these are pretty cliche, you know, like have purpose and, you know, get a handle of your emotions. And I think the other thing too, and some people, um, um, maybe this is more innate in than them, but humor, like, I have a sense of humor.
I, I love, as much as I love getting into all this, you know, deep work, ask anyone, friends of the truth, ask anyone who’s been to rise with to herd. I try to bring a lightness to it. I try to, like, we don’t need to take ourselves that seriously. You know, it’s like, again, this is both take yourself seriously and don’t take yourself seriously.
You know, you know, be able to laugh at yourself and have a sense of humor. Like life’s too short. You know, like what’s, yeah. So I think like find a [01:04:00] way to like lighten up a bit. Um, so you have the capacity to choose the moments when to lighten up. So again, all of this goes back to integrating more, more potential within you.
So you’re able to choose appropriately depending on the situation. So I think, and again, you can ask Sophie this, I think another, uh, a gift that I have is the ability to disarm people and my wife in situations that maybe are extra heavy. Sure I can give attention to it when I need it, but also like bring lightness to really intense situations.
Um, and so I think that’s important. Um, take care of your body as best as you can if you’re a man. Um, you know, I’m continuing to work on that ’cause it’s easy to get a little complacent at times, especially if you’re like in partnership and you’re like, okay, cool. I’m in partnership. Life’s pretty good.
Yeah, I just, I just think like, how can you care about the people in your life and your community? Deeply care [01:05:00] and, and want the best for everyone in your community. This isn’t like, I want everyone to be in world peace, and sure you can have that thought, but like what matters most is like you, yourself, your body, your partner, your children, your animals, your community, like that’s, that is what’s most important.
And then if everyone focused on that, we’d have a very different world. And so, yeah, and you know, feed your mind, keep learning, read books, have male friends. You know, where you, where you keep it real with one another. That’s important. Yeah. The list goes on, I think. But I think you get the gist.
KELLY
I love that.
And I often consider how different the world would be. If men prioritized emotional self-regulation for the reasons that you’re describing, and this entire conversation has been, you know, a testament to that journey, right? It’s not a decision you make on a Thursday. It’s a journey of embodiment and [01:06:00] coupling your conscious awareness with your willingness to feel what’s actually happening in your body, and the accountability and responsibility that you take for your roles and your relationships and dynamics and your purpose.
I mean, it’s, it’s almost like the, at the nexus, right? Of, of all of these other pillars. And yeah, I thank you for doing this work for inspiring other men, women and children, um, in your midst and for really demonstrating what it can look like to hold the truth with. An open heart. I appreciate you so much and I’d love for you, uh, to yeah, to let people know you’ve mentioned a couple of, of ways that people can get in your, in your field and of course this will be in show notes.
But yeah, let us know.
YERASIMOS
Sure. Uh, well the main site is here for the truth.com. You can find everything there, but if you go [01:07:00] to here for the truth.com/ftt or find it on the website, that’s our, um, membership community. Friends of the truth. And so we have six to seven calls a month, uh, two community calls.
One’s a German new medicine study group, one’s an astrology call, and then we have a guest expert with, um, like a previous, uh, like podcast guest there. Uh, and then we have our awesome Telegram group, which is my favorite. You know, just so many different topics to engage on. We have about 80 plus members in the community now.
It’s growing. Uh, most importantly we have the meme zone. ’cause sense of, sense of humor is important. And so like people just share like outrageous, ridiculous memes. And then, um, yeah, rise above the herd. Uh, we have our 10 week program, which is, we set it up as being self-guided now. So if you go to here for the truth.com/ RAH, which stands for Rise Above the Herd, um, you can get the 10 week program on your own and go through that.
And then we just launched something called Wrath Academy, which is we initially offered it to people and friends of the Truth and previous [01:08:00] graduates of the 10 week program. And we just started that a couple weeks ago. It’s a six month container, um, with the, um, the 10, 10 week program as the foundation to start.
And then there’s two, like two hour calls a month with Joel and myself. And then my wife Sophie leads, um, a nervous system workshop every single month. And she also has like a five part like nervous system integration video series that’s part of the program as well. And, uh, yeah, that’s, that’s pretty much it.
KELLY
Amazing. Amazing. Thank you. Thank you.
YERASIMOS
Thank you. Thank you. Take care everyone.
