(00:01) [Music] I’m Dr Kelly Brogan you may know me as the New York Times bestselling author of a book with an exploding pill on the cover Renegade psychiatrist pul dancer or honorary member of the disinformation Dozen what can I say I’m a born provocator I’ve spent most of my recent life exposing deceptions connecting dots and discovering the secret places my inner victim is still waiting to be liberated and now I feel called to help you reclaim all of your parts your health your sexuality your power and your expression so that you can finally
(00:42) truly own yourself I want to ignite in you that inner knowing and the pulsing Vitality that lives beneath your disempowerment disconnection and resentment so that you can audaciously courageously and playfully alchemize your struggle into the specific pleasure of Who You Are this is Reclamation radio hi and welcome back to Reclamation radio I am Dr Kelly Brogan and I am here with the one the only Dr Steve Young who is uh known by many identities hats and talents including being a credentialed physicist and turned gone bad right broken bad and
(01:25) also a an internationally renowned DJ and music Alchemist and most recently an author of the book A Fool’s wisdom science conspiracies and the secret art of alchemy and I am so excited to dive in this is going to be a very packed session because it’s going to be part book report which I want to do with all of my tabs and quotes that I want to share and also just a part you know storytelling about your experience from the world of Academia and scientism if we could just start to drop that term into uh the realm of alchemy
(02:06) so I’m so excited to to be in conversation with you Steve thanks for being here thanks very much Kelly it’s an honor and a pleasure look to be here and talk with you again because I talked to you once before on your private Network sovereignty series yes yes and you you were yeah had some great people reach out to me after that actually yeah yeah perfect you were you were my chosen Ambassador for the expose I guess on my uh personal research around cosmology and I just feel like as I am positioned to be something of a whistleblower for
(02:41) the mental health and medical industry you know you have this this very unique perspective on your uh training in physics and the ways in which you’ve come to questions so let’s just dive in because uh you have often said and and explained that there are scientific methods and you know means of inquiring into the nature of reality that bear fruit is the phrase that you use and there are some that don’t so there’s science that you can do and then there’s science that you must believe and as you deconstruct a lot of
(03:26) these different arms of science you talk about these explanations that have come to be adopted by scientists the scientific community and even the population at large that aren’t necessary to explain certain phenomena like gravity and nuclear weapons Etc so we’re going to get into those more specifically but I just wanted to start really zoomed out because I think as a a philosopher and you know something of a polymath I think that you have really started to connect some dots about like the nature of inquiry and the nature of
(04:01) the scientific method so I’d love for you to unpack a little bit about what you what you mean by the the scientists that bear fruit and those that don’t well yeah thanks that’s uh yeah great introduction and a great place to start so yes so this I mean it really it’s a quote from the Bible um which says you shall ye shall know them by their fruits that’s it ye shall know them by their fruits which is a quote from Jesus I think and um you know it’s essentially telling that you can know about something you can know something is good
(04:31) or bad by what it produces and um of course when you first come into Academia as a student and you’re learning all these subjects of course you don’t really know what is being produced from all this knowledge you’re just learning the knowledge in good faith that it will be useful to do things with in the future you know you’re learning something that the world needs and you know something that can help you become successful and so on um but when I left with my PhD in theoretical physics I find very hard to find any meaningful
(05:01) work related to what I’d been studying uh it was mainly just uh you know banking in military essentially you know Banks do are the biggest employers of physics phds uh are like investment Banks and stuff like that which when you’ve been learning about like atoms and you know nuclear and stuff the idea of like going in working for a bank is just like uh really you know boring and uh so I didn’t want to do that um and so I was unemployed for six months after the PHD and I tried employ um applying to all kinds of employers and then ended
(05:33) up getting a job at a technical consultant technical consultancy working for banks in the end but uh yeah so then as the years went on so it’s been um over 20 years now since I finished the PHD you know I kept I kept a breast of what’s happening I kept studying and kept learning as I got more distant from Academia I started to notice that you know nothing’s really coming from it you know there’s all this all this knowledge that’s talked about but what’s actually produced by it you know what is made from it is there any benefits or
(06:03) applications to humanity and um you know in the case of the physics I was studying like the nuclear and Quantum and gravity and relativity and all these I I increasingly found that there there were no applications of them now in the case of quantum and atomic physics there are said to be a number of applications the atomic bomb being one of them but other things like the electron microscope or MRI scanners or things like this they’re said to be you know things that came about because of our knowledge of atoms and because of our
(06:34) knowledge of quantum physics but as I looked into all these alleged applications of quantum physics I found that they were easily explained just in engineering terms and in fact they’re just products of engineering electromagnetic engineering you know technology has gotten better and better because people are doing it over and over again you know and and repetition is like the mother of invention right so the more you do work repeatedly you think of better ways to do it more efficiently and you know faster and
(07:01) smaller and all this kind of things so technology all of it is is born from engineering and um I found wasn’t really an application of atomic physics or um so on and then yeah I mean there’s various other theories like this as well so that’s how I started to look at it I realized there is all this good science that you can do you know classical physics which is really the classical physics is the root of all like Technology and Engineering uh software and all this kind of stuff but there’s this whole new physics which uh most of
(07:32) which came about in the last century uh and some of it you know as far back as Newton say but really in the last few hundred years there’s a new type of physics which has taken over basically taken over all physics you know programming really um you know you don’t see people talking much about classical physics but they’re always talking about atoms and black holes and gravity and all this stuff right and I was I was sucked into that you know um when I got to University I was like oh this is where it’s at the new physics is you
(08:00) this is our future but yeah as the years have gone on I’ve just found that it’s just not it’s not standing up to scrutiny and it’s not produced anything good for Humanity so I want to get into this in a little bit but I one of the most delightful aspects of reading this book was resolving the chronic uh annoyance that I have felt with the new age and all of these different spiritual teachers referencing quantum physics and referencing all of these you know space holder terms that really mean almost nothing like you could use descriptive
(08:38) language instead of invoking these scientific theories but there is it’s like they borrow things like quantum entanglement or um different aspects of you know the vernacular of quantum physics to substantiate their you know spiritual teachings and to to validate right so we know you and I because I you know I didn’t mention this but you are in a very small trusted circle of allies that I uh call on to help me interpret reality right so in our little circle of colleagues you know we talk about scientism and the religion of Science
(09:21) and the way that it seems to serve a certain kind of Consciousness so in this book you talk about five Elemental theories that comprise the worldview of scientism I’m just going to list them off because I want to start with this atomism which I’ve never really thought to start there right because I was very focused on some of the other ones that we we’ll uh we’ll touch on here so the first is atomism right so things like Atomic nuclear Quantum and particle physics the second is gravity things um that reference like Newton and Einstein
(09:57) and Hawking the third is Helios centrism so a lot of people may have never even heard that term so it’s sun centrism right so this this Solar System model so the invocation of names like Cernic’s and Galileo I think of like that Indigo Girl song I used to sing all the time like in high school oh my God so funny how penetrant these things are number four is evolution so the reference to uh Darwin and the fifth of course is where you know I’ve spent a lot of my uh recent years is germ Theory so pestor and you know this concept that
(10:33) germs cause or these invisible invisible particles you know like viruses cause disease so in those five Arenas you have uh connected some pretty important dots around you know the deception that has led to our being arrested in victim Consciousness and powerlessness and a kind of dependency on these authorities who are you know really hand waving right so who are fabricating this fruitless science right this science that that can’t be necessarily seen with the naked eye and instead has to be rendered through mathematical equations
(11:15) you know and assumptions so so let’s start with this concept of the atomic age because the reference even to you know nuclear bombs and weapons I mean it’s so uh reflexively assumed that that’s a real risk right that that is something you know we could just push a button and be gone right uh by by so many colloquially that it’s amazing to imagine we we walk this plane with that uh when you believe that with that white noise of fear and of course I think that’s you know what you and I have come to conclude is like you know when you
(11:53) shift your beliefs around these things you shed so many you know of these deep existential worries they just stop being relevant right so but the way that you’ve talked about like electrons and protons and neutrons and this concept of atomism and how it then tracks forward into our perspectives on the solar system and our perspectives on so much of what we understand about reality uh really comes in sharp contrast to your specific training so maybe we can start there and and you know just start to introduce people to this idea of the
(12:33) atom as a fallacy and everything that’s come from that yeah I suppose I did I did when I was at University I did one module on philosophy of science you know as well as all the science stuff I did one module in the philosophy department and I was interested in the philosophical side of things and there was a lot of philosophical stuff comes out from quantum mechanics and relativity and stuff so I did a bit of that at University and but then when I left I mean I feel like that was almost like the most useful part you know cuz
(13:00) it it took me like outside of the theories and helped me to kind of look at them and what they mean and and understand that every theory has a corresponding philosophy you know if it doesn’t have a practice like I mean like music has a practice you know music is a theory every part of Music Theory has a corresponding practice something you can do and apply but if it’s a theory that doesn’t have a practice it’s usually it’s an encoded philosophy or like a worldview or a Creed you might say rather than philosophy it’s more like a
(13:28) Creed like a way of a system of belief and um with the atomism so atomism goes way back so they say to Greek times like democratus they say was the founder of atomism now I recently learned that like none of democratus original works or writings exist so I’m Sor of thinking he might even be just made up to like take the fall for this I’m not sure but uh no a lot has been written about ancient Greek atomists and the thing is they they were you know if you think about what they’re actually proposing is that everything the
(14:01) universe is made from these indivisible uh atoms and the word atom meaning indivisible and from that then you know it poses a problem because it’s a rejection of religion and and and God and all that for a start you know you’re proposing a new model of of the cosmos and so well the the atomists were associated with deep Hedonism basically they were really into Hedonism and the the atomic way of looking at things sort of rejected morality and there is this that like where does if there’s no God and it’s all just atoms floating around
(14:33) in space then where does goodness come from and like they believed well goodness came from the bumping of atoms right because if atoms are separated in space they’re they’re lonely they’re isolated and that’s not good but when they come together you know and touch that’s good so so it was associated with headism and you know lack of like decency and moral principles and so on like abandoning morality and and everything so um they don’t teach you that in physics class of course but you know that has been written about a lot
(15:06) you know this was um kind of like the philosophy behind atomism yeah and and and then from that you know I started to see how it does create this well there’s this this materialism right this uh this idea that you’re just this lone you know atom or collection of atoms that’s just like come together and of course on just on this Lonely Lonely Planet and everything and the atomic theory well I mean we can talk about the Alchemy bit soon as well I guess but the atomic theory is actually directly opposed to Alchemy the ancient science of alchemy
(15:39) which says that everything is made from ether and there’s this like diametrically opposing worldview between everything being made from ether or everything being made from atoms when you consider everything being made from atoms it’s a materialistic worldview in which everything is separate but when you um talk about ether it’s a a holistic worldview where everything is connected in part of one single substance which is more in line with the religious view of things that we’re all part of one you know one thing or or one
(16:06) Creator universe or so on so yeah so the atomism even though it’s 2 and a half thousand years old as an idea or whatever it only really came to the Forefront of physics in the last like 100 150 years or so you know and now it’s just as physics education is all about atoms but as I say you know is anyone actually working with atoms is is anyone actually using them or building anything with atoms I don’t believe so I’ve been looking for a long long time to see if anyone is actually using atoms you know for anything but uh I think
(16:41) they just exist on the Blackboard you know in the textbooks and so these Concepts that are again like colloquially penetrant like electrons and protons this like dark matter you know sort of idea the phenomenology of the impact of The Observer and you know it’s funny to me that totally non-scientific oriented folks are like talking about the you know the these experiments you know that have theoretically been done in the realm of quantum physics to substantiate a lot of esoteric Concepts and so what you’re saying is that based on your research
(17:21) you haven’t come to understand them as having ever been actually substantiated actually proven and they’re just ideas yeah yeah exactly so I mean the whole thing with you know modern atomism which would be quantum physics is this wave particle thing where they say oh the the particle is sometimes a wave and the the wave is sometimes a particle and they can do all this you know crazy stuff and you know they call it a paradox and you know for me when I started getting into Alchemy which you know again we you know
(17:51) just views the world as consisting of four elements earth air fire and water which I found can explain everything you can explain everything in terms of earth air fire and water like no exceptions so the wave particle duality just goes away because there’s no particles it’s just fire like the light is just a wave you know a light wave fire and um the Paradox was because they were believing everything to be made from these little particles right so that’s what introduced the Paradox and made all these crazy things happen is because
(18:20) they are believing that the the fundamental reality is the particle in those experiments but actually I would say it’s just light waves you know fire our world is so full of noise politics social media other people’s expectations societal standards judgments it can be super challenging to access yourself and the wisdom of your hearts your inner compass and that quiet place inside that is always okay I love the Mist Elixir and anointing oil called Quiet Mind by lotus way it just transports me to this space of clarity focus it gives me the
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(19:29) com use the code kelly5 for 15 % off the link is in show notes for you so I want to on those five elements I want to touch on like the grand implication right so if this is the case that there have been a lot of assumptions made about the validity of this atomic theory uh one of the great implications is that the splitting of the atom and these nuclear weapons are what a hoax right are fictitious history are psychological operation are somehow a deliberate misrepresentation of what actually has occurred and we are not necessarily living in a world where we are under
(20:09) threat of nuclear weapons like would you say that’s one of the implications yes yeah so the you know there’s obviously big bombs and I say that in the book you know uh I call them like bfbs like big [ __ ] bombs you know because as far as I understand there’s actually no limit to how big of a bomb you could make you know if you have lots of money and lots of explosives then you can make a bombb as big as you can imagine right so I’m not saying that there’s no big bombs the question of course is whether the word
(20:36) nuclear or Atomic is actually Justified to put in front of the bomb when you say it’s a nuclear bomb or whatever I think when you really get to the core of atomic physics and like debunk that the atomic model and so on you know there’s no reason to believe that the bombs are anything but an explosion you know of chemicals uh and there there was a guy I believe Michael Palmer did a whole study into this and claimed that it was napam and mustard gas that they used although you know in the official story they say
(21:03) it was uranium and plutonium in the so in the book I debunk the official story and and you know show that you know uranium is not uranium is not what we’ve been told either and it doesn’t require uh Quantum or Atomic physics to explain uranium and uh you know so there’s I think that that’s it it’s like yes there was obviously an explosion and there you know they can make big bombs but is it right to call them nuclear or Atomic or are they just big [ __ ] bombs and I think you know they’re just big [ __ ] bombs and that’s that’s the end of it
(21:35) the nuclear Atomic makes them sounds scarier right it makes them sound like they have some you know magical science forces behind them but emotionally who gives a crap it’s like it’s just a big bomb going to kill everybody you know that’s it it’s like who cares if it’s Atomic or nuclear you know the idea that that’s supposed to make a difference you know it’s just a scare a scare tactic I believe and so we have this whole Aton age you know we we’re said to be in the atomic age which started in 1945 or perhaps 1941 they say the first
(22:06) experiment or whatever but the really it started with the the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings and then there was this idea that okay at any moment in any part of the world you know some Maniac could just destroy everything with with a blast and that’s a really scary thing to take on you as a young child and you had all those kids with the ducking cover drills you know that duck under your desk and everything but you know it’s yeah I I don’t believe it at all I don’t think man has the power to destroy the world and um you know I don’t
(22:37) believe the bombs are nuclear or Atomic in in any way at all they’re just big big bombs you know so relatedly I want to read a quote to bring us to the gravity and heliocentrism Arena so you write heliocentrism and the globe Theory go hand in hand they are constructed from atomistic thinking and the theory of gravity the model of the solar system and the model of the atom are nearly identical even the most inattentive physics student notices this the only real difference between the solar system and the atom is the scale of object
(23:10) being theorized one is unimaginably big and the other is unimaginably small so we um we have extensively uh explored the whole cosmology piece and I think the significance of this right so you you call it it’s the mother of all conspiracies about the mother right about the the nature of this realm that we live in and so many people and I was one of these people uh initially too when I encountered the concept of an alternative model of the solar system shall we say uh it was actually through um David Wolf the first time that I
(23:51) heard him we were doing an interview together and the first time that I heard him talking about you know lines of sight uh that wouldn’t be possible on on a curved Globe I was like who [ __ ] cares shut up I’m like why does it matter and the why does it matter reflex is very strong right because it doesn’t seem to have implications whether we’re on a flat motionless plane or whether we’re spinning in the middle of nowhere on a dead Rock um having exploded from you know some arbitrary moment of uh you know Big Bang history and the
(24:28) implication for uh and around believing in gravity and believing that we are the Third Rock you know from the Sun are enormous right metaphysically spiritually and uh I think both of us would attest to what gets lifted off of your spirit when you awaken to the uh manipulation around this and the connection right between these two even um symbolically which you’re referencing in this quote is extraordinary so you talk about how to keep this inquiry simple right you talk about the proof of spinning right the proof that we’re
(25:05) spinning and the proof of curvature being like the points of Entry if anyone is curious about you know exploring the nature of this realm and whether or not we are in a closed system that is motionless and you know quote unquote flat or whether it is the case that you know we’re spinning around and and water is sticking to a ball that we are you know scattered around so if you could talk a little bit about like how you came upon this point of inquiry because I know this is one of your first um well in the in the journey like it was a big
(25:42) point of entry for you yeah and and the connection then to your training in nuclear physics and just how it all seems to be a similar story yeah so I mean the the the Flat Earth stuff was yeah probably the first stuff I was looking at that was critic izing physics and so I mean if you look at like the five theories that you listed earlier you know the Flat Earth stuff is pretty much all uh aimed at gravity and heliocentrism you know it’s lumped into Flat Earth content it’s all criticisms of the theory of gravity and the theory
(26:16) of heliocentrism and and that’s it you know and you know why shouldn’t these theories be criticized you know they’re they’re new theories you know and I you know at school we should have been I feel like we should have been taught like the criticisms against theories but we’re not we’re taught the theories as if they are settled like settled long ago by an important group of you know people and you weren’t at the meeting but uh it’s you know they s you don’t it’s fine you know I just just believe it you know it’s it’s that kind of thing
(26:46) yeah so the challenges Against Gravity I mean it it came quite easily to me actually I mean gravity is is a strange one it is always a strange one in physics it’s like you know they say it doesn’t fit with quantum physics and stuff and it went obvious L from Newton’s Theory into Einstein’s relativity and you know that’s very complex and you know so the idea that gravity is just a theory was actually quite simple to accept but then when you take that on and you really just like let that sink in uh the implications of
(27:15) gravity not being real are just like massive because the the whole Cosmos that we’ve been taught is actually constructed on the assumption that every light you see in the sky is like bound to every other object through this force of gravity so uh it’s gravity is literally the Lynch pin that holds the entire Cosmos together and and gravity is also needed for the ball Earth to be real as well like why would you know why would we be on a ball if it wasn’t for you know the force of gravity pulling everything towards the center and
(27:49) creating this like ball in space or whatever so yeah and then and then actually like they have this whole history of the universe that they call the big bang and evolution and stuff and that that’s all based on gravity as well the whole model it’s like everything it’s you know they they have they have used gravity as the Creator almost you know gravity is what pulled all the matter together right and made it into something good you know it’s like almost like the the Creator you know yeah so then this calls into question the model
(28:17) of the solar system so the idea of the sun with the planets going around it which as you said from my book is just like the model of the atom where you have the nucleus with the electrons going around it and you know the sun is said to be a nuclear you know furnace basically a nuclear reactor so you have the nucleus of the atom which is a nuclear force and then you have the sun which is also a nuclear and the Sun is said to be the biggest source of gravity as well and also the atomic nucleus is said to be the biggest source of mass which is
(28:47) where the gravity comes from so I just see there’s just this like onetoone correspondence between the solar system and the atom and they’re both models you know they’re models where a big there’s a big ball with lots of other spinning around it with no strings attached right nothing attaching them just all doing that in space and you know we just don’t observe that kind of thing happening in normal reality now yes we look to the sky we see the stars going round but actually you know we don’t need a model of the stars to predict what they’re
(29:20) going to do like all you need to do is measure the timings of the the planets right like for astrology for like predicting eclipses and stuff like that if you want to a clipse you know a thousand years in the future you don’t actually need a model of the solar system to do that you just need accurate measurements of how long each object takes to go around the sky and you know the ancient astronomers knew this they you know they they were observing keenly and you know marking like how long each things takes and that’s how they’re able
(29:50) to make astrological predictions way in the future they didn’t need a model um to do that and um so you know a lot of people think you know hel centrism is how we’re able to predict eclipses right that that’s nonsense right it’s like they’ve known that for ages just timing you know it’s just working out the timing and things so yeah so really then all that stuff kind of falls apart and you know to be honest the flat earth like people you know the people who really came out and put themselves out there you know your Dave Weiss and Eric
(30:18) dubet and all these guys they made masses and masses of content and loads of other great channels well they did an absolutely fantastic job you know if that was if the internet was Academia right that they would have it would be settled right but the internet is not Academia like Academia just carries on on its path regardless of what any independent people are uncovering online and you know that so that was another thing that became clear particularly in in recent years uh with all the the injections and everything like it was
(30:48) clear that you know Academia and the establishment they just keep on going down this path of scientism no matter what anybody else uncovers online uh and I thought that was quite disturbing because we we got that sense on the internet that we’re all we’re all figuring this out together and they’re just you know they’re just like no we’re not we don’t listen to you like we’re doing our own thing no matter what anybody on the internet discovers so yeah so that was that was a big big eye opener and you say all that came before
(31:17) I started looking into the atomic and nuclear stuff again you know and ultimately I realized the atomic and nuclear was actually my you know that’s my specialty you know the Flat Earth guys and all that they’ve they’ve covered it you know I there’s nothing I can say about Flat Earth that hasn’t already been said you know I’m merely just reflecting back you know the fact that I I agree with you know the the Flat Earth movement and their criticisms of heliocentrism and gravity and I think it’s absolutely a conversation worth
(31:43) having even though many people don’t right they think you basically if you if you believe if you even think about Flat Earth you’re not worth talking to right that’s the prevailing belief but you know it’s a group of people who are growing in number constantly right because nobody ever goes back and I think there’s this like sort of unidirectionality to like truth and Awakening right with things like Flat Earth and vaccines and stuff like that it’s like once you go you don’t go back you know no one goes back to like
(32:10) getting the injections right or you know it is a one-way Street and you know and that that is real you know people wake up they don’t go back and I guess that’s an important thing to consider when you’re looking at all this is like you know it’s like no no one actually goes oops I was wrong and goes back don’t do it it’s like because you’re actually in a better position you’re in a more enlightened more illumined place with a better grasp and a better understanding of things so why would you go back to a more ignorant position it just doesn’t
(32:40) make sense so so yeah so I think just with everything that’s happened in recent years like the whole scientism industry that the connection between all these different departments you know the the medical and the physics and all that like yeah it just became clear that it was all part of one thing you know yeah like one mindset or an aggregor exactly and they all seem to have in common what we discussed earlier which is the lack of utility and necessity uh of these theories to explain our lived experience right so you know it’s not that you’re
(33:15) saying things don’t fall to the ground it’s that the concept of gravity isn’t necessary to explain what density and buoyancy can explain right and the logical fallacies that abound in these Realms are often exposed by the fact that there were these claims made right these claims that it’s not actually how we had historically or ancestrally thought it was right no it’s actually this way it’s not you know an enclosed system that virtually every you know traditional Society seem to represent the the world as being no it’s it’s a
(33:52) it’s a globe and it’s spinning and it’s you know in this orientation to these other actual Mass containing bodies and that assertion is what requires the evidence right rather than the defense of what already was the conclusion based on our observed experience right so when these new scientific theories are posited the burden of proof is on you know the the proclamation right is on these these Concepts and that’s what you break down in the book and of course these other you know thought leaders that you’re you’re referencing have
(34:29) deconstructed ad nauseum it’s like no the actual proof doesn’t exist for your positive assertion and there actually isn’t a need to prove otherwise you know the default right so when you claim something is different you’re the one who has to prove that it is in fact different right I have to to thank for that sorry just let me thank you and and the other sort of like people who opened my mind to germ Theory and viruses and all that because know I got that that from from you guys that the yeah the the person making the positive claim you
(35:02) know the burden of proof is on them and it’s perfectly you’re perfectly within your rights to say there’s no viruses there’s no electrons there’s no gravity because there literally is no viruses no electrons and gravity anywhere for anyone to see right so it’s the person who says that it is there they need to have the proof right we don’t need to disprove it they need to prove it and and as we’ve seen yeah they they haven’t you know so they haven’t proved it ex just right just like if you if you say you know we we evolved and changed form
(35:35) from monkeys right that’s up to you to prove that right because that you know there are all sorts of assertions you can make and in fact what we find when we actually do the digging is the proof isn’t there but the replacement fallacy that suggests okay well if it’s not this then you tell me what it is is one of these traps you know that even uh in discuss disc we can get baited into right if it’s not a virus an invisible particle causing human illness then what is it well in fact that replacement uh theory is not necessary to have a
(36:12) scientifically rigorous uh exploration right and that’s where this burden of proof on you know on the the novel claim comes in so I want to read this list because I think it’s a really satisfying list it’s about a page and a half long which is the that you’re right which is the key lications of the globe hoax right so there are many places to go down the rabbit hole whe if you’re curious about this but this is like a really great summary so you write every picture video model of the globe Earth is a fabrication Globes are not for
(36:46) educational purposes as they say right if you flip one over in a kindergarten classroom that’s what it says the ocean horizon line is always observed to be flat level ships that disappear over the horizon are seen again with zoom lenses which is often one of the assertions right like oh they’re going over the curve no not really um the stated curvature of 8 in per mile squared is not in fact observed right which means that we can actually see things we should be able to see the Earth is not a planet or an object it’s the ground it’s
(37:21) your flesh the North Pole is the center of the realm not the sun Gleason’s map provides provides the best view of the territory the great ocean is flat like a giant circular puddle Antarctica is an ice shelf surrounding the edge of the puddle the land is stationary and immovable within the water North is in and South is out east is anticlockwise and West is clockwise sun and moon move in spiral paths above the Earth plane gravity is fictitious nobody landed on the moon it’s not a land there are no orbiting satellites just balloons drones
(38:01) and aircraft NASA weightless videos are filmed in the vomit Comet aircraft astronauts are Bad actors liars and Counter Intelligence agents Rockets are fireworks there is no Tesla in space and no telescopes either there is no outer space it’s all Inner Space pressurized air implies we’re in a hermetically sealed container that’s a huge one right like it you can’t have you know propulsion and these things that as sensibly are available in in so-called outer space without a closed container stars are not nuclear and they’re not
(38:39) millions of light years away planets are not lands they can’t be landed on or conquered nobody is going to Mars on a rocket Mars is not a land President Nixon didn’t phone the Moon from a rotary dial in 1969 and the space force is a space farce so that is quite a list of the implications a non-exhaustive list unless say right exactly there’s must so much more isn’t there and so yeah to just touch on the last two you know I’d love to to hear what you feel are the implications of debunking if we want to use that that term evolutionary theory
(39:24) and uh and germ Theory like what are the implications who cares whether you know um our history as a species is as we’ve been told and you know we crawled out of the water and then turned into a monkey and then some magical day you know turned into a human you know is it that the Christians were right this whole time uh you know what are the implications of of uh letting go of this theory that doesn’t seem to have the evidence to back it up that it would require as a positive assertion and you know and what do you take away from germ
(39:58) Theory not not being true well I got a great deal of power from learning all about germ Theory which I you know really knew nothing about until 2020 um and sort of like I was like I really have to start looking into this now but I mean to go start with Evolution because ger kind of comes out from that but uh with Evolution um it’s you know it’s obviously quite an incredible thing to believe anyway you know just all the transmutation of species and everything and all these long time frames and the trial and error and you know your
(40:27) cousins being monkeys and all that kind of stuff but uh really what I found like most where I find most opposition with it was it’s actually opposed to creation and and like the big there was the big debate back in I think the ’90s of Evolution versus creationism and I wasn’t paying too much attention to it at that time but I remember it was coming up I think it was a big debate in the states and maybe on the media and stuff like that like should schools teach yeah should schools teach kids that we evolved or should they teach
(40:54) them that we were created anyway back at that time I had my head in physics I wasn’t really thinking about this stuff but as I came you know as to be an artist like a professional artist I was appreciating art and appreciating nature you know looking in detail at Nature’s designs and patterns and so on is like part of how I get my inspiration and you know I just started to see how create evolution is totally opposed to the idea of creation itself you know the idea of even creativity you know cuz it’s like well where did
(41:22) creativity come from if we all just evolved you know you’re sort of because you’re saying that the the universe didn’t create us but somehow we’re capable of creating things you know like the the universe created creative beings or the universe evolved creative beings it’s just a very strange thing to believe and uh when I I look at nature I see it’s like the highest art you know it’s like so the designs are so perfect uh the human body for example and you know plants and animals and everything are just so uh perfect in in their um in
(41:56) their artistic design and I came into a very much a creationist point of view and you know it wasn’t just like I mean I did read the Bible I did start reading the Bible about like five six years ago but it wasn’t it wasn’t just that it was just like I just felt like you know I I am a created being like I’ve been created by a Creator and so has everything else natural in this world is is perfect but everything created by man is imperfect or or temporary you know but but all the all the nature all the things created by God as it were are
(42:26) perfect and everlasting uh and so I just um really began to see this dichotomy and then you know Evolution I have a chapter on it although it’s one of the smaller chapters there’s a lot that can be said about it but you know I didn’t go into it in too much depth it’s really just a philosophical point I have with it you know where it’s uh opposed to creation and creativity which as an artist you know it’s kind of offensive in in that sense like imagine somebody you know in the future like 100 years in the future
(42:55) thousand years or million years in the future finds you know my music and they’re listening to it and then and then they’re like where did this come from how how did this come about and and if they were to say Well it it evolved you know it’s just the idea you know that a piece of music evolved is just ludicrous right you know it’s a so so the idea that the the human being evolved or any other of these like perfect works of creation that that they just came about through some like fumbling of atoms and it all comes back to atoms in the end
(43:26) because when once you get rid of of the Creator there’s nothing left but atoms right so the the the atoms are the substance of creation but they’re also the the Creator like it was made not just from atoms but by atoms you know that’s in the scientific view everything is made by atoms it’s like the atoms just did it all by themselves they were just flapping around you know on the space rocks and you know joining together to make molecules and and so on it just like build it up like like that but you know it’s all entirely
(43:56) theoretical based on you know sketchy like mathematical theories and stuff like that it’s just not something we see in in in reality what we see is that you know we’re creative beings like you know we’re human beings are like the ultimate like uh creative like workers you know we can build anything we can do anything we can conceive of anything and you know it said we’re made in the Divine image and so I believe that I believe that’s we’re able to create because the Divine is able to create and we’re made in the
(44:27) divine image we have that edge over animals you know that kind of Creative Edge I mean from there then well with germ Theory so I I know a lot of in science like people like to stick to their Lane right if like if you’re a medical guy you only talk about medicine you don’t talk about physics and so on and as a physicist I’m like oh how can I say anything about medicine and biology you know I’m not a biologist but uh you know it was such a it’s such a big thing that affected us all and um it actually uh you know I realized when I started
(44:56) looking into to virus Theory I realized that well virus is quantum thing like it’s like it’s actually in my domain so even though it sounds like virus the domain of medicine and doctors and so on actually when you look at really what they’re described as being it’s supposed to be a collection of 5 million atoms together in this like cluster like this kind of like super molecule thing so that actually puts it well within my grasp as an atomic scientist and so yeah I found just the more I thought about virus and looked into the theory it just
(45:29) seemed like it was just always just getting further and further away you know you’re never actually getting to the thing right because there is no thing it’s it’s a it’s an idea that’s you know just made up and is it’s like actually based on all those other theories based on Evolution based on atomism then I so I started to develop this kind of zoomed out perspective at that point and this was really just in the last few years you know I starting write the book and talking with yourself and the other um people we’ve spoken to
(45:55) in our group it’s like a sort multi-is disciplinary group of people who’ve been questioning their fields and also you know questioning the general scientific consensus and yeah so I saw like virus has almost been like the cherry on top of this whole structure of science this that goes back um you know a few hundred years and then it all I mean where did it all lead in the end right what’s the fruit of all of that it was the needle right the injection that was the thing that’s the physical you know all of this
(46:26) thought where is it all leading is all leading towards all of you have to take this needle in your arm or you’re not going to get your life back right that’s and for me that’s not a fruit that’s not the fruits of science right that’s actually like an evil plan you know and it’s just yeah yeah so it really just brought it all together for me um all of it and and you know was really the inspiration for for the book in the end was like sort of making this this framework and then debunking it all and showing people that there is in fact
(46:56) ancient science that explains everything um so none of that stuff was even needed to begin with it’s all just misguided human activity you know ultimately all that science is just misguided human activity doesn’t produce anything doesn’t help anyone costs lots of money you know and of course people’s careers are like wrapped up in it right like you know we can sit here and like talk about it and everything cuz but people who are actually you know have a paid job to talk about that thing they’re going to defend it because their whole career and
(47:24) life is on the line and uh you know they’re getting paid you know they have a cushy job to just come and all they have to do is like talk about physics and defend it or whatever they don’t have to produce anything they don’t have to make anything they just have to hold down right hold it down by just talking about it over and over again I see there’s a lot of these like celebrity physicists and stuff that’s all they do is they just talk about what’s in the textbooks you know ad nauseum and never question you know never question any of
(47:53) it like so yeah so I had to just give it give it all I’ve got and the book really like didn’t pull any punches or just like you know what I mean like after the last four years it’s like the gloves are off right it’s like if I’d written this book like earlier I would have been super polite and just like you know tiptoeing and and but you know I thought after like what the Science World has done to me in the last few years just been an absolute assault of like nonsense bad theories pseudo science like you know Evil all sorts of things
(48:22) all messed up in this scientism worldview I thought I can’t hold back now like really got to just let loose and uh you know debunk it as as hard as I can so people love to ask me questions and I love to ask questions of others because inquiry is play but some of my interviews and answers are too hot to handle for Reclamation radio so in my membership vital life project I have created a private podcast that gets delivered to wherever you listen to podcast where I answer your questions that arise because of my provocative
(48:55) subject matter and I also share interviews that might otherwise be censored that I call the sovereignty Series so you’ll get access to these private podcasts and a private chat by joining my membership V life project I’ll see you in there it’s also the nature right of of the game that folks like you and I have elected to play in this polarity right like having been card carrying cult members of the Church of scientism to explore this antithetical polarity it’s it’s a unique experience it’s fun you know like there’s there’s something
(49:32) really ultimately enlivening uh if we can look Beyond this idea that it’s being that all of these deceptions are being you know forced upon us you know because when I consider all of the different Arenas that you you highlight and all of the dots that you connect in this this book I look at you know these Concepts like mutations right in the evolutionary theory right it’s just like random mutations that get you to you know having 10 fingers and 10 toes or in uh viral Theory it’s like these randomly mutating you know particles that have
(50:11) this lethal potential you know the cosmological theories and the atomistic theories like there the random universe that is just happening to you versus this experience being ored and a very specific gift to you right depending on what you believe from you to you is um it leaves us in a very different energy potentially and with a very different locus of power and and life force so I wonder what you would say is you know what is the best feeling part of everything that you’ve awakened to would you say in summary I guess
(50:56) that’s a good question question you know uh I mean when people write to me and say they’ve read my book and it’s really transformed their worldview you know it feels amazing I’ve had I’ve had a lot of um emails like that recently you know including my my own cousin you know who said he had a total complete worldview transformation like reading the book you know that feels good cuz I I you know I tried talking to people I I’m not the most outspoken on social media but you know I tried talking to people in person
(51:22) for a lot of years and stuff and I never really had much joy like getting through to people and stuff so I developed this sort of like internal dialogue that I’m never going to change anybody’s mind about anything you know there people are just so stubborn stuck in their ways they’re never going to listen to me like what the hell you know but then of course when you write a book and you actually put some effort into like making a case you know and making a thesis as I did of course that’s something that really can transform
(51:47) people you know it’s because I’ve given them the whole picture and I’m not just spitting out opinions on this and that it’s like I’ve actually just like given a whole story and a whole picture and it’s tied in with my life as well well you know and I remember there was something you said to me about the this idea that the medium is the message you know when you think about writing a science book in Academia you’re taught to be like super objective right and just write about the science never use the word I you don’t talk about yourself
(52:12) right and I think there actually that’s a problem right cuz then you don’t know anything about the person who did the work right and uh it’s like as we find out loads you know a lot of these like Quantum physicists were like pedophiles and stuff you know like um shanger and that but you know but they don’t tell you that uni and they didn’t you know they’re not writing about their life in their like scientific papers you know so I thought no I have to I have to write about my life and the transformation that I’ve gone through as someone who
(52:40) was in that world coming to where I I’m now and that’s really the transformative power you know if I had just written like a book of facts with nothing about me but just all like objective facts like it would be boring and you know yeah you know I think that’s why a lot of these books like propaganda books right that’s how they’re written you know textbooks there’s nothing about the author in the book at all right it’s just all about the subject and so yeah like talking with you and and other members in in the group and that yeah
(53:11) really just gave me the made me realize that yeah I have to put myself into the book as well to really give it that um transformational Power and help people to see that I’ve actually gone through a transformation you know I wasn’t born a flat Earth or you know as people people talk to you like that don’t you when you when you question girl they taught you as if you were just like born a flat earther and you’re like some like aberration you know or abomination of nature or something it’s just like no I just believed everything you believe
(53:39) like you know maybe I believed it even deeper than you because I went like to you know PhD and master of science and all this like I went so deep into it um and then you know I’ve come out of it now and yeah it’s it’s a it’s a great feeling I mean you I don’t know what the best feeling part of it is I suppose it is just when somebody appreciates it you know when somebody actually reaches out to you and tells you how much they appreciate what you’ve done I think for me is the best feeling part of it yeah so the entire second half of your book
(54:07) is on this subject we’re clearly not going to do it justice with this final question but I want to just you know introduce folks to the progression from the resolution of these deceptions for you which is alchemy right so I wonder you could tell us a little bit about how Alchemy brings your worldview into Focus yeah well so I’ve been researching Alchemy actually for years before I even Lo looked into the Flat Earth stuff and um actually made it easier to grasp um and less of a shock I think because I was looking at all these old Alchemy
(54:46) texts which were you know clearly based in a geocentric worldview you know and at first you’re looking at it like a sort of curiosity like oh long ago people believed you know in this like enclosed world or whatever but uh you know so I’d had a number of years looking at that and reading these books and these you know stuff from like 400 years ago very well written very intelligible very highminded you know scientific and spiritual and compassionate and you know these voices from the distant past that seem to be
(55:16) just like uh higher you know spiritually and mentally intellectually than really anything I was reading of modern times you know and so Alchemy in in essence is a is a a a worldview where everything is based on four elements fire earth air and water it’s you know commonly used all over the world and it’s in art and philosophy and religion um it’s you know the basis of metals you know making metals and stuff like that so where all that came from and I really found the more I looked into was actually the it’s
(55:46) like the root of all science you know and they tell us in in school that chemistry came from Alchemy and that’s one of the lies they tell about Alchemist they say that nothing good came from it except ch istry right it’s like the the Alchemists were these mad sists that were trying to make gold or whatever and they they they never succeeded but they did make you know test tubes and stuff like that which we have we find useful today you know so uh so the idea is that like chemistry is you know a product of alchemy but
(56:14) actually um chemistry is alchemy with the spiritual aspect removed uh so Al Al is a spiritual term meaning the all or the one or the or God so alemi and uh is uh like a spiritual science Alchemists would work with materials they would do like chemical work as we’re doing but they would also work with music also work with metals and so on um herbs medicines and things so they work with many different things but yeah all doing it through this you know this understanding of fire earth air and water and um being the core elements
(56:48) yeah so I think then when I got to the Flat Earth stuff it wasn’t too much of a leap then to be like okay you know this is a a new idea it came from the Catholic Church from the RO Roman Catholic Church it’s where the heliocentrism came from we know this cernus Galileo all that stuff and they the that church have had had a huge influence on the world in the education and media and stuff like that because uh the Roman churches they’re conquerors you know they actually that’s what they do they’re like Ro they roam right the
(57:20) Romans Rome they spread themselves out and try to take over everything and they’ve written about this the Jesuits have written about this in their books you know how they they move out and they try to take over all the education and and everything like that so yeah it just became clear that yeah this is why we believe in all this heliocentrism is because of the the dominance of uh like Roman Catholic Education in the world but yeah kind of rambling on a bit there but uh I mean I suppose just to end on that I mean it seems like they don’t
(57:47) want they don’t want people knowing about alchemy but it’s not like uh it’s not heavily censored though it’s just it’s there they just won’t tell you about it so it’s it’s it’s a soft there’s a sort of soft censorship with Alchemy not like the hard censorship like like you’ve probably faced and you know others fac when you’re talking out against the narrative it’s like you get some like hard censorship but Alchemy is soft censored in other words it’s it’s there there’s loads of books on it loads of places online you’re free to read all
(58:16) about it and practice it but don’t expect them to tell you about it they’ll keep it hidden well but that’s that’s why it’s such a fun treasure hunt to to come across you know books like yours where we can begin to remember right these very uh beautiful Frameworks and creative uh expansive arenas for our understanding of what it is to be you know a human being so I am so grateful Steve to call you an ally and I know you’re just getting started you know um putting all of this out there um in different forms and beginning to ignite
(58:59) this remembrance for others and yes I did say that to you that you as the medium right so not only because of your credentials but because of your uh unique experience as a man you know you are likely to be the the conduit for a lot of uh truth and Remembrance for for so many people and I’m just really grateful so we’ll make sure to have the links and show notes for where people can find you and can check out this book which has quickly become my my go-to referral you know for anybody who is interested in like gently I would say
(59:38) gently Awakening to so many of these tropes and so many of these you know seemingly tried and true ideas that have informed our you know our language and our you know conceptualization of like what the hell is going on here right and there’s there’s another way to look at it and it feels so much better that’s the the beautiful part about this this journey so thank you thank you oh you’re very welcome thanks so much for having me on kayy [Music] [Music]
