(00:00) it turns out that we like the Earth make primary water and that changes everything because the water that we’re meant to have is made by us in so far as you’re healthy one of the definitions is all the water that’s in you you made yourself hi and welcome back to Reclamation radio I am Dr Kelly Brogan and I have the distinct pleasure of being in conversation today with the one and only Dr Tom Cowen I don’t even think you refer to yourself as a doctor anymore I do so Dr MD Tom Cowen who has been on a couple of episodes already previously so
(00:44) I will provide a brief intro which is just to say that this fine gentleman is my personal adviser in Chief and we are going to be talking about one of the many questions that I pepper him with on a very regular basis and I would say that the the context the frame for why it is that I have positioned Tom in my own personal and professional life in this way is is really the way that he sifts and sorts reality right so I am a subscriber to the David data informed perspective that the masculine is consciousness right and so when we are
(01:33) when we have a developed Consciousness we have a developed masculine energy right when we are aligned with that we are engaging in things like you know Integrity of word and follow through and Clarity of thought wise action directionality and one of the uh dimensions of masculine energy that I had trouble finding in other freethinkers is a regulated system a self-possessed individual who has the capacity to rest in not knowing in uncertainty which actually I think is a physiologic phenomenon like if if you have not developed the capacity to hold
(02:17) the fears and the identity diffusion and all the things that come up when you don’t know the answer you don’t have the capacity to sit in the very very fertile space this Lial space of the not knowing and I have watched Tom do this on a public basis which is probably um the most challenging practice of all so his willingness to be wrong and his willingness to sit with a question until it is ripe and then you know as we discuss sort of like what might be possible there is a lightness with which he holds and what’s interesting is the
(02:54) discernment that then comes through feels extremely uh trustworthy to me me and I have had the pleasure of spending time at Tom’s Homestead with his radiant goddess of a wife Linda and to really appreciate the Simplicity with which you know you move through the world and we’ll be talking today about some I hope you’re willing to share some of your like personal habits and practices because I think that this is this is how I um Orient now these days is finding trustworthy sources of reality sifting and sorting and then allowing that to
(03:37) sort of percolate within so as always Tom I am super excited to be in public conversation with you and to share your wisdom and and really the the way that you explore and think about these very essential reframes and questions with with everyone who’s listening so welcome thank you you know it hit me that you know we’re both to a certain extent some part of our life anyways is in the public domain right and as I say now we leave a paper tray and so if I was to say oh I’m never wrong somebody show by the way Tom do you see
(04:21) this book here you you got your name on it like you know and you said that there was these measles viruses you know six years ago what do you think of that then I would say well yeah right so I think there was like a gremlin they came in and and they they like faked my name and put this so it wasn’t i’ have to really think fast on my feet to so I F at the end of the day it just is easier to say yeah I made a mistake but that’s why what you share is not the answers right because there’s it’s a trap to imagine that we
(05:04) can again you know I always think this way it’s it’s an immature masculine trap that I certainly have fallen into that you can collect all of the answers and then declare yourself master of the domain it’s not how it works right so so to be a a vessel through which re reality is transmitted to to to orient others around you that is the task and that is a process so you’re con stantly relating to what is new you know one of the uh and being clarified one of the um episodes that we recorded was on sort of mythbusting with regard to organel and
(05:41) cells and genes and I don’t know that we were even ready as a collective to begin to explore the possibility that down to the language of cellular biology that is colloquial I mean people who know nothing about biology you know have heard of things like the mitochondria it’s even used in marketing material right and so to begin to understand okay maybe we have to to Really um explore the assumptions what you and I were just talking about before we started recording the assumptions that are underpinning and just begin to expose
(06:15) them that’s more orienting than here is the replacement Theory right and and it’s not that we don’t consider those because it’s fun it’s fun to consider those and and we’re going to do that today so I asked Tom to come chat with me today because I had asked him for his opinion on what is going on with water today like I so I have you know two daughters and I was telling him because obviously his his kids are grown and older so they may not be in this particular Trend I was telling him that it’s it’s a trend right now for you know
(06:56) teenage girls to walk around with like a garbage pale size water cup with a straw in it called a Stanley and you know my my little wife of a a daughter is like hauling this this water thing everywhere everywhere she goes and you know I’ve been joking with her as I know many people are recognizing especially from my generation we never drank water never and if we did we had only tap water and it just was not part of the like a dominant culture to consider drinking water and you know older Generations like I was talking to my mom about this
(07:34) and and everyone is just kind of confused about how it’s now become the case that you can’t go to you know a dance or yoga or exercise class without water bottles falling all over the floor you you know I can’t imagine being at an airport and not you know buying a bottle $10 bottle of water so that I can fly this idea of you know traveling through the world with your Alo quat of water has become so culturally normative that I’m not sure how many people have stepped back and said what’s actually happening here and so when I asked you I
(08:09) said you know do you think that we are just dehydrated by you know electromagnetic you know pollution do you think it’s just all of the toxicant body burden do you think we are just this dehydrated because of how things have gone ay and we need to just keep replenishing it because I know you know myself and others have trouble drinking two to three liters of water it does not feel pleasurable it doesn’t feel natural and you know when I used to talk to Nick Gonzalez about this he would say you know your thirst mechanism was basically
(08:43) like habitually suppressed right so you need to sort of like reactivate it and the only bit of context for this that I want to share before we dive in is that anyone in my life Tom included knows that I did did a water fast back in the summer of 2022 a n-day water only fast inspired by our friend and Ally Andy calman who did a 26 I believe day version of what I did and has done that subsequently with no sella and he’s doing great and when I did it it was in the context of a lot of psychoemotional swirls let’s say like stressors and it
(09:23) was like big shifts happening in my um personal sphere and I um have had enduring effects let’s say that that I can tie to that water fast now again was the emotional piece like the Tipping Point was my three years of vegetarianism beforehand The Tipping Point who knows it doesn’t really matter but I got a lot of brainwashing through that experience led by a 30-year frugivore around how essential it is to drink lots of water every day of course filtered structured water but like you know two to three liters every single
(09:58) day and and you know that salt is problematic and you know there’s just a million perspectives running around and I have over time you know sort of been drinking less and less and less and honestly not noticed any difference one way or the other so you know when I asked you I said you know what do you what do you think about this because I I know that you don’t drink two to three liters of water a day I hung out with you I I didn’t see you do that so I want you know and your mind is rais are sharp you’re obviously not 30 years old I
(10:31) won’t reveal um I don’t even know your true biological age but you are doing just fine okay and so when I asked you I thought to get your take having written a book on the subject as you did on what you think is going on with our relationship to water the optimal potentially like relationship that we could develop with water and I want to start by um really like a basic understanding that most of us have learned in school including like you know my kids recently just learned this around like energy right so like um how
(11:14) is it that we’re told are we told water has a role in our you know our vitality and our energy what is our best understanding as far as the conventional model and then what do you think water has to do with you know the production of energy that could be contingent upon like how much you’re taking in or not so I want to start with sort of like the basic biology because you know you run a clinic now called the new biology clinic and that’s a lot of what I see you um contributing to the world is these more sophisticated more complex and more
(11:51) beautiful I would say uh perspectives on how biology really might be functioning right like how the body actually works and and the relationship between water and bodily energy production I think is one that I’m even just beginning to wrap my mind around because I’m still in the still on some level in the ATP World you know even mitochondria World a lot of functional medicine is about like you know powering up your mitochondria so that more energy can be made and when you answered me about this water question I thought this just needs to be
(12:24) a podcast you need to share this with everyone so maybe we can start start there with sort of like the known quote unquote known biochemical Pathways and how you have seen things differently all right is that a weird question maybe that’s not a clear question yeah also just the historical aspect I once asked my grandfather who I never saw drank water and I I I really was close to my father’s father Gramps I said do you know do you ever drink water he says no vodka taste better he actually uh had a you know how people
(13:00) have those like things of of water that like the G they’re like three gallons or I don’t know you know thing he had one of vodka that he had over the refrigerator and so you could go by and and just like push the plunger and genius yeah and he didn’t die of dehydration somehow yeah I don’t know actually I had lung cancer but that was when he was like 90 something so I think you know we again we were talking about this briefly and I don’t remember who it was who said it it was Aristotle or Socrates or somebody but give me an
(13:35) assumption and I can prove anything so you know when I was thinking about so where do where should we go with this and so we could talk about the energy but I think there’s even a A Step Beyond this which I think people haven’t thought about much and it also connects us to the world which I think is important in anything so where does the water of a the our bodies or B on Earth come from and it’s also interesting because it’s also a corollary to another sort of truth that’s not true which is where do fossil fuels come from now the story let’s
(14:20) start with the story where does the water on Earth come from so I’m not sure exactly it’s one of those things they never actually tell you directly because they know it would sound stupid but so it’s essentially what we’re sort of led to believe so this the Assumption in this this equation is somehow there was the world and there was the water and that’s all the water there is so it’s a finite resource essentially and then it goes through this hydrological cycle where you have you know ponds and the ocean and rivers and huddles and they
(15:02) evaporate and they go up into the air and they form clouds and then the clouds rain down and then that so that’s called the hydrological cycle so all the water keeps cycling through that that those Pathways and aquifers which are the reservoirs of water under the Earth they get replenish through the rain and through runoff from streams and lakes and stuff like this but in other words the fundamental assumption there is there’s a finite amount or reservoir of water on the place we call earth right that it and again it’s another one
(15:44) that’s similar is the fossil fuels these are decomposed fossils from way back and they get compressed because of the pressure in the earth and they become oil somehow and so they’re a a inite limited resource same with the water in Us in other words you we’re you know 99% of our molecules are supposedly water 70% of our volume is supposedly water that’s what we’re told and you can measure that so that’s probably accurate and it’s it’s like a hydrological cycle in other words you pee some out and you sweat some out and you evaporate some
(16:28) out and then you put some in in and that’s so the putting some in is like the clouds raining and then the sweating and the peeing and the and the you know evaporating that’s like uh the evaporation of and that’s all the water there is in any of those and that’s all the fossil fuels there there is so those are that’s the fundamental assumption behind drinking water is that you lose water by peeing sweating evaporating and maybe other reasons and so you have to replenish it and it’s the fundamental assumption in you know water scarcity
(17:10) stuff that that’s all the water there is and the only way out of that dilemma of if there’s too many of us are using too much water is to desalinate ocean water so we get more water that way so here’s the problem which then puts everything in a different light none of those assumptions are actually accurate and easily disproven so for instance with the fossil fuel thing they say the biotic level goes down to about two 20,000 M right below that there’s no there’s no sign of life right so you can’t have anything below 20,000 MERS
(17:52) that’s made from F you know compressed life but the Russians have been drilling 50,000 M for oil for decades that’s one of the reasons people hate them is because they figured out that there is a renewable source of oil below the biotic level that that essentially inexhaustible well that’s a whole different story and it’s not fossil fuels and doesn’t mean it’s good to burn them or not that’s a whole different issue but it’s not they’re not fossil fuels and it’s not a limited resource so that’s the first one the second one is
(18:30) the same with water uh there’s thing called primary water which is water that’s made in in the earth somewhere you know down below and it comes up to the surface of the Earth just like Victor schauberger like who knew more about water than anybody said the water you should drink should be it should never have been in the in the air and it should have come up on its own power to the surface of the Earth so like a spring that bubbles up by itself and we now know that’s called primary water it’s made denovo a new deep in the
(19:12) earth somewhere and then it travels up by coursing through the rocks and making Pathways for itself and comes up on its own uh terms on its own power and emerges as Springs and all the healing Springs that have ever been used have been this kind of primary water now if somebody says well Tom how do you know that that’s never been in the hydrological cycle right it’s never been in that evaporating clouds R it’s actually simple because all the the water in the hydrological cycle has a what’s called isotope which is a that’s
(19:53) a whole different thing to get into what an isotope is but it’s a variation of hydrogen called tridium and the the water in the hydrological cycle all has tridium more or less depending on how many times it’s gone up and down and primary water has no tridium in it because never been in the air to pick up the that form of hydrogen so it’s very easy to tell which is which and essentially you don’t want trium in your water that you’re exposed to it’s not it’s not real water it’s heavier water it’s not very good for
(20:31) biological systems so you can make the case that’s why people look for primary water even though they didn’t know that and there’s a whole primary water Institute and you can go and see all the research and all that so what is this have to do with your question it turns out that we like the Earth make primary water and that changes everything because the water that we’re me meant to have is made by us now you could say well that’s a strange idea except it you know in so far as we believe like the Krab cycle and you talked about all
(21:12) these people who talk about mitochondria they say that the oxidative phosphorilation pathway kreb cycle is taking sugar and you go enzyme you know enzyme and electron transport and charge transport and you end up with carbon dioxide and water that’s where the water is made in other words when you metabolize food into this ATP that you’re talking about the byproduct or maybe the product is water and so that is water that that’s your water and I would contend that in so far as you’re healthy one of the definitions is all the water that in
(21:59) you you made yourself that could be a definition so if you need water to replenish because you’re sweating and peeing and and evaporating then you have more food and your mitochondria are healthy and they make the water to replenish the deficit because you sweated and peed and and evaporated and there’s very little need in there except in certain situations where it may be accelerated or something where you would need to actually drink exogenous water from the outside it’s such a massive paradigm shift in understanding and I think that I just
(22:47) want to put neon lights around the metaphysical implications of the shift from a scarcity model right because it’s it’s either intent Ally and nefariously or just an unintended consequence it is programmed into all of these Cycles these concepts of cycles that there is scarcity for us to consider and what that does of course on a psych psycho emotional level um to our perception of reality is non-negligible so to shift yeah there’s no scarcity of water there’s 90% of the water that’s used is came from primary water sources it’s
(23:33) inexhaustible same with o oil and gas and same with our personal water inexhaustible does that mean that you’re only ever contending with pollution so to speak and you know toxicant Laden water when you are drinking hydrological cycle water right so it’s it really becomes an issue when you’re not interacting with primary water or creating the conditions which I do want to get into to produce your own water in the best possible way so like how does this shift how we look at you know polluted water and the necessity of like
(24:11) reverse osmosis filtration and considering how we have you know really Disturbed water because right if it’s if it’s scarce then it gets dirty and we have a problem right a big problem and I’m not not suggesting that we don’t have a big problem just in the care of this realm but it sounds like it’s a different issue if it is produced a new consistently by the Earth and within us we have a different relationship to the fear that might be right that might take hold around like how much we have messed things up well let’s take a step further
(24:47) back because the this the ATP connection is important in this because this is another basic because we’re talking about essentially definitions of Health like some people will say if you in other to in order to be healthy after during 2 liters a day that’s what’s behind you know your daughter or her friends that’s the definition of Health otherwise you get dehydrated but here’s another way to look at it we are essentially like a battery and we have a charge and we also have a polarity and we have even energy centers that spin in
(25:21) a certain way called shaks but you know and we don’t have time to go into the whole evidence and proof of this but you know you know I talked about this in the cancer book so when we have charged tissue that’s what we mean by healthy and it’s able to do things and create and and interestingly you know if you say that to a medical doctor the definition of a healthy tissue is what it has the proper charge they say oh that’s you know we don’t so so how do you know if somebody’s heart’s healthy well you do an EKG and measure
(25:53) the voltage the electricity going through their heart right so if it’s normal that’s the healthy well do you know if they’re alive you do an EEG and if their brain is got electrical activity they’re alive and if it doesn’t they’re dead well how do you know if your muscles work well we do an and and yet they say an electrical potential electrical charge isn’t relevant that’s life is the charge so how do you make the charge the charge is because of the unique properties of structured or dipole water creates the charge
(26:29) how do you make structured water you take proteins which are you know essentially long charged molecules in so far as there’s any molecules but again let’s forget about that and just like making Jello right you put gelatin proteins water nothing happens you have to heat up this mixture unfolds the proteins they connect with water and then when they cool they make this gel form the gel form conducts electricity especially when it has ions in it sodium chloride potassium calcium Etc that’s just basic chemical kind of facts so the
(27:13) same exact same thing happens in us we uh this process of respiration making energy they make ATP and water and the ATP connect it’s not energy it it tap es to the proteins and acts like heat with Jello right if the the proteins are like this you heat them they unfold they connect with water the proteins or us are not in the right configuration there’s like a attachment point for the ATP it unfolds them and that and then they attached to water create the gel create the voltage create the electrical charge then you’re a living battery and
(27:54) they also need you know quote ions or minerals you know sodium potassium the rest so that’s why people have been fooled into thinking ATP is energy because if you don’t make ATP you don’t respire you don’t make water you don’t make ATP you can’t make a gel and then you’re you’re a dead battery and you have dead fluid which is what we call edema or you have hardened fluid which is what we call a cataract or you have fluid on your knee that’s not moving and we call that arthritis and we call disease that’s dead fluid that needs to
(28:32) be excreted we call that a cold or a bronchitis so we call dead water without a charge we call that sickness so if you have healthy mitochondria producing ATP in water then you make a charge and then you’re a living healthy vibrant being that’s how it works and there’s other factors you know you pick up charge from the environment and you know and there’s connections with people that charge you up right you know or ruin your charge we’ve all seen that you know and there’s all kinds of factors that go into but
(29:10) that’s the basic so if you’re drinking polluted water you’re end up then you can’t make a healthy crystalline water or mopas or gel because now you got poison grapes dissolved in your gel so you don’t make a charge and you you substituted exogenous water hydrological cycle water into that system and it doesn’t make you the gel that’s meant to be you and so you essentially in a funny sort of way feel like you’re a different person and people say that you know ah this isn’t me right this isn’t how I’m supposed to be like I’m a happy person
(29:58) but I don’t feel happy anymore or my legs don’t work or I can’t run or my skin doesn’t feel the same it’s not you it’s so it’s like exogenous water with coming in and it doesn’t form the crystalline structure that’s you so then your body has to try to do something with that usually dissolve it get rid of it and remodel it and so that’s where diseases come so we we digest our knee fluid with inflammation because we don’t want that Crystal That’s not healthy it’s got too much toxins in it it’s got distorting you know it’s got tritium in
(30:40) it so that instead of a perfect Crystal it’s all messed up you know and we get a distortion of our structure which doesn’t work right and our body in its wisdom tries to remodel that and we call that unfortunately disease so that’s a long- winded answer I tend to do that but that’s the problem with taking uh hydrological water and trying to cleanse it that that’s better than drinking hydrological water with you know glyphosate in it and EMF destructuring and trium in it and all the chemtrail stuff that because you’re talking about
(31:18) water that keeps going up and down through the air and all this stuff and in the air and is in the streams and instead of water that is made a new and so it’s just the purest form of water moving through rocks picking up minerals hopefully nothing else that’s analogous to the water that we make ourselves so just to finish that that’s why you know I sought out a spring that’s primary water and that’s where I get my water from so people love to ask me questions and I love to ask questions of others because inquiry is play but some of my
(31:56) interviews and answers are too hot to handle for Reclamation radio so in my membership vitol life project I have created a private podcast that gets delivered to wherever you listen to podcasts where I answer your questions that arise because of my provocative subject matter and I also share interviews that might otherwise be censored that I call the sovereignty Series so you’ll get access to these private podcasts and a private chat by joining my membership vital life project I’ll see you in there yeah that makes
(32:27) sense but it sounds like like there are at least two potential you know sort of ways that people can wander off the path one is if they are like bogging down their system right so I think you would say when I was drinking the three liters a day for those nine days it was problematic actually right to to to bring that much you know and I use an oora I have alive water it’s it could be could be worse you know in terms of the quality but regard regardless it was water logging literally my my system to an extent that
(33:04) was represented its own stressor so you you have this like over hydrating with ultimately hydrological cycle water and then there is the dehydration end of the pole which comes it sounds like from something else right something other than just not drinking enough water so neither of those problems is solved by just drinking you know more water or relating to available filtered water differently because both of them are systemic issues right so you describe for me what you think Hydra drive you referenc it a little bit just what you
(33:42) think drives dehydration what we call dehydration okay and then the problems that could be caused by you know flooding the system with what ultimately becomes dead water bulk water water that interferes with the optim small gel formation right so we have issues across the board but let’s maybe detail a little bit more about like what you think people are calling dehydration like what are they actually dealing with yeah let’s maybe we could start the other side so so because I wrote about this in the heart book and you can see
(34:17) this so the pump that drives the circulation of the blood which is crucial for health right we’re supposed to be well circulated well profused is the gels in the in the in the capillaries you get a tube hydrophilic tube with water forms a negatively charged gel that separates the charges creates a gradient that moves the the blood now let’s say you’re for some reason and that’s charged by sunlight essentially and connection to the Earth so let’s say you never had sunlight and you’re not making these gels and so
(34:57) you’re pump is weak now it’s the same as if you have a a a pump in your house that’s leaking right so you’re not getting a shower isn’t coming isn’t going strong what would happen if you put dumped in two and a half times the amount of water in the system it would leak worse right because now it’s there’s too much water it’s heavier and you your your your system would have to discharge that water somewhere and that’s exactly what we do so we have a bad pump because we have bad water and and not enough exposure to the the the
(35:38) force this the electromagnetic force which is light that structures the water so we have bad circulation and so then we put twice as much water because we they they tell us we’re dehydrated and then we leak what is that leaking means pee all the time or you get fluid in your legs called EMA or you feel water logged so your tissues feel like they have this dead fluid in them and you’re sluggish and dead fluid doesn’t create a charge so you feel sluggish and weak and low energy so that’s because you corrected a energy Problem by flooding
(36:24) the system so that’s the one side now the other side is if you’re not making primary water uh that’s the problem and so you have a metabolic energy production problem and that could be because you’re poisoning your mitochondria there’s lots of ways of do that or because you don’t have enough light exposure or Earth exposure or loving exposure or touch exposure with other people or connection with animals and lots of things that actually create the the energetic field that strengthens and promotes mitochondria and besides you’re not
(37:03) eating good food Etc so you can’t you’re not generating primary water so you’re dehydrated now you try to correct that by putting in you know at worst polluted hydrological water and that makes the whole thing worse because now you can’t even structure and make this crystalline coherent you know gel of the water that you do have which is your energy and so you feel water logged and low energy Etc whereas you think that you should have corrected your dehydration you may have more water inside you but it’s not in
(37:42) the right form and you could probably help a little bit by drinking primary water with ions you know with with you have to have source of minerals and that probably helps some but it’s you know and maybe even helps enough to be a reasonable solution but it’s not the same as as if you make the water yourself and at the end of the day the only solution is is to not have a mitochondrial energy creation deficit that’s the solution to this which then you have to ask you know how do you make how is that go and that’s a lot of that
(38:23) has to do with sunlight exposure and connection with electromagnet fields and you know connection with other living beings and earthing and good food and all the usual not poisoning your mitochondria and detoxifying all that stuff and that’s because through that res cellular if I can still say that respiration process you are making the structuring ATP for the water to become a crystalline gel and you’re actually making water from food from food in the water that’s imprinted with your energetic field you know there’s a
(39:04) saying that if you eat carrots and you talk like a carrot there’s something wrong with you you’re supposed to make the world your own you don’t it’s just like if you say what Tom or Kelly says that’s a problem you hear things you process them you make them your own and then you’re you feel alive healthy and you know inspired but if you’re just spouting off somebody else’s ideas you’re you’re a follower that’s a problem not producing your own primary source material right in their case primary thoughts and and of course we
(39:44) all have that we get told you know even in relationship this is the kind of person you should be with this is the kind of career you should have this is the kind of uh exercise you should do this is the way you should think about this or that I mean that’s a problem and we can be inspired I think right by what feels resonant I mean that that word has never been more true for the reasons that we’re discussing today that when you come into contact with spoken words and you know energetic signatures that feel like home right
(40:26) like that feel like an ex exhale that feel like a remembrance there is something there for you right to to to to work with so in service of that rather than say this is how Tom does it this is how everyone should do it I would love for you to share a bit about how you do do it right how you naturally apply these these theoretical principles that we’ve been exploring maybe you wouldn’t call them theoretical but these principles we’ve been exploring in case anybody listening says okay that makes sense to me that’s what happened like
(40:58) when when you shared with okay this is how I do my day I was like that makes sense to me that feels that feels true and I’m going to adapt that for my own purposes so I was um somewhat surprised to hear that you basically drink one glass of water a day so I’d love for you to take people through you know like a typical day in terms of creating the conditions for this inner charge um to be optimized for your own primary water to be best produced and then stewarded right because because that’s what your choices do they they Steward the water
(41:37) you know I just had V uh Austin on the podcast and and that’s clearly clearly there’s a Zeitgeist here right like clearly we are understanding that what I would consider water a feminine principle that there is a homecoming right there’s a homecoming here and and we are aligning with this massive reframe around what these bodies actually are and how we can Steward the water within us and of course without but you know for our purposes in this conversation let’s talk about within so how do you do that every day like what
(42:11) is your your routine as far as optimizing the conditions and drinking the water and I also you I don’t I think I asked you there’s not a way for can people find out where primary water sources are is there like a yeah there there’s a primary water Institute and they publish um stuff but basically almost everywhere has primary water somewhere near you that comes up all over the everywhere and any water that’s basically coming up from the Earth by its own accord not so that’s not Wells that’s probably primary water and you can get it tested for
(42:50) pollutants you could even get it tested for tridium if you want and that’ll tell you whether it’s primary water but if you ask old old people who been around they’ll know where oh yeah this guy’s got a a spring over in his farm somewhere and water just spouts up and it spouts up it’s been spouting up for a hundred years just continually so yeah and just to say you know uh you I always think so I tell people you right it’s it’s great to hear different people’s opinions and strategies not so you do it but I I think you should we should hear
(43:27) as many as possible just so we get and that’s one of the problems today is people oh I’m not going to listen to anybody who says anything different than what I think right so that’s a problem so this is just me and I’m not like saying like I’m the Pinnacle of like I was what if I Dro dad tomorrow you know then what was there because I’m not doing that because I’ll delete the episode it’ll be a shameful in of your track record so what I’m thinking of is purest water charge and irons that’s what I’m thinking so here’s what I do with water
(44:10) I don’t know if I’ve ever said this so and I I’m also a a kind of a a habit sort of guy like I do the same thing kind of every day for simple guy that’s what I said that’s what I observed you’re just a simple guy first thing in the morning I have a bottle of of this sea Plasma in the refrigerator used to be Kinton but now not to be a commercial but we have one that’s I think better because it’s pure which is Vortex seawater and the phytoplankton collect in there and they poop in it so you’re it’s rich in minerals and has a long
(44:51) illustrious history of helping with all kinds of things so I drink a cap full of that and swish it around in my mouth that’s the first thing then I make cat food that takes two hours yeah that takes two you to kill the deer and whatever else you’re doing and then I soak my head in ice cold water five times just my face I heard that from Gerta originally but I think it also stimulates your Heros sympathetic nervous system and helps wake up and I I just feel I don’t like doing it but I feel I like it’s not fun but I do it
(45:29) every morning and then I have a 500 mL jar in a mirrin jar and in there is either this primary water that I collect in glass bottles that I put in a Mayu filter now which is spins it for about 10 minutes and then I do our water wand for another minute and then I keep it then I pour it into this jar this 500 M and I put a basically half a lemon squeezed in there if I feel like there’s something wrong and I feel like I need more charge instead of the lemon I use chlorine dioxide solution and that 500 mL so I drink that and then I go on about my day
(46:16) and I’m always looking to be more out in the sun and more connected with the Earth and more connected with the animals and I you know gardening and and then there’s computer stuff but that that’s and then I don’t really drink any more water I do drink other stuff which is mostly fermented beverages that Linda makes with different herbs and apple cider vinegar and sometimes raw honey and so she makes a variety of those sometimes beet kavass I make kefir from goat milk so I drink that and I think I told you I have one it’s not an
(46:56) addiction but it’s like a it’s sort of a vice which is I I absolutely love sparkling water with a little bit of some sort of herbal oxl in it that’s like my biggest treat so I use a a high silica primary water uh sparkling water you know bottle that so I mix that with that and I’ll drink that a few times a day got to come up with some more interesting VI than that it’s like it’s like kind of big it’s really expensive Mark Bailey told me about it’s from New Zealand it’s definitely primary water it’s high in silica which I think has some
(47:41) interesting properties and it’s naturally sparkling so that all appeals to me and I like I say mix that with you know these fermented drinks and that’s what I drink the rest of the day and I don’t usually drink other water it’s called like antipodes or something yeah antipodes a n TI p o d e FS really expensive but I have only drink about 500 milliliters a day and otherwise you know I mean I have soup broth every day pretty much bone broth and I mean I eat food that has water in it sometimes in the summer I’ll If I Grow enough carrots
(48:22) I’ll make carrot juice which I think is very sort of structured water of fluid that I’ll drink beet kavass I like especially when I have enough beets which is chopped up beets with this like whey or yogurt and some salt so most of these have some salt in it and of course the salt is Redman salt or Celtic salt or some kind of salt like that or I use that stinky bamboo salt which has lots of sulfur in it I’m not I’d say a regular salt user like I don’t limit salt intake but it’s all almost all of it I don’t eat very much processed food so all the
(49:03) salt is salt that we add to our food and that’s pretty much it and the rest of it is trying to you know be out in the sun now we do have a water filter in our in our home which is a sort of carbon filter pure effects and then it goes through this copper Twisted Rod which creates vortices and that goes to the showers and the tubs and and even the hot tub and then I also have an oora water station so that’s the town water that comes into the house and so that’s you know filtered vortexed filtered again and Vortex and I use that mostly
(49:46) if I want to some sort of like distilled water for some purpose I’m struck by even the the sort of morning ritual with the 500 Ms of water that you you do drink that it’s you know it’s probably totally unnecessary for you to WAND the water and you know spin it in the Mayu and all the rest but it’s it’s on a meta level it there’s almost like a I don’t know like a morning practice morning meditation like a morning devotional experience and and vaa would be the first to to say that having a relationship you know to water maybe
(50:22) even those 500 milliliters are symbolic of your saying this matters you know this this matters I’m going to to treat it in this ritualistic way I mean who even knows right that that might be part of why you can extract and produce all of the rest of the high integrity water that you you do throughout the rest of the day because you have that Foundation set I don’t know that just struck me as you were describing it because I know I mean you wouldn’t have written a book about the subject if you weren’t on to the notion that repairing and restoring
(50:57) in our relationship to to water as human beings is Paramount right like this is a big deal and yeah and it’s not as simple as what I’ve been you know selectively informing myself around which is like just drink more it has to be structured and filtered but just drink more of it and force yourself to do it because it’s the right thing to do like no sustaining vitalistic practices should require forcing yourself to do something right and and I know that you know you you are very resistant in what I’ve known of you
(51:33) to Trends right like you don’t hop on board you know what whatever Health Trends I even might be susceptible to because I’m I like experiences I’m a double Gemini like I just need stimulus and I need new new things that are fun I’ll try it you know and that’s sort of what got me into this waterfast you know crisis if you will is that I just wanted to have the experience you know just see what it’s like and I have a strong will so I could push myself through it that’s not the way you relate to from what I’ve
(52:01) observed to your body to your experience of health and to your lifestyle that there is ease and pleasure and like a strong discernment around you know what makes sense versus like these sort of blind leaps you know that many of us take into sort of power powering over our resistance or powering through our resistance so yeah I love hearing about yeah I don’t like forcing myself to do to do anything and I don’t even I remember talking with jam and my movement friend we agreed that you should never try to do anything either
(52:39) because if if you’re trying to do something that means you’re actually not doing it I remember people say I’m GNA try to go to sleep and I would say how do you do that well you know it’s ridiculous the other thing I do with what I just remembered is along those lines I do actually Express gratitude every day for my water for helping me live in a way that feels good and that I mean you know we never know I don’t know what any of these things are doing but seems to it feels right and I don’t like not doing it like it doesn’t feel right
(53:20) so yeah yeah and that’s that Compass you know that that you have that I think is so clear because you can sit comfortably with the not knowing until that knowing arises and it’s um yeah I’m very honored to have such a front row seat to your process and so grateful every day you know that I have your advice and guidance and your discernment and that I can you know if I if I’m ever doing if I’m ever up to weird that everybody knows about it’s probably because because I didn’t run it by you so I’m learning I’m learning yeah you know it’s
(54:01) interesting too this thing about with the water fast if I was going to do a water Fest I would also really try to energetically charge my body so that I was making as much primary water myself because even without the food you would you still have metabolism going on and you would be processing your own tissue your own fat Maybe and that should so I would I would really work on that but maybe you would have said Dry fasting is even you know with so-called dry fasting right would have even been better than drinking three liters of water in the
(54:39) this I mean if I had asked you which I didn’t I could have if I had said Tom do you think I should what do you think should I do this you would have told me no unequivocally for sure you would have told me don’t do it so I just want to also be clear I’m not saying that nobody has been helped by water that’s not true and you know I obviously they doing the best water and Etc there’s a lot of things that just giving your your metabolism a rest have helped but I think there’s a lot there’s questions we should ask and and you know
(55:14) yeah that’s all there’s also Wellness optimization and just self-experimentation and exploration and then there is the ritual that you engage when you are you know having an existential moment in your life Journey right so many people who have had uh you know and the gentleman that I worked with has had you know done 10 10,000 cases and extraordinary outcomes so of course it would be silly to to suggest that it’s problematic or even inadvisable but these are in folks who are are at that fork in the road and and
(55:49) need a ritual and obviously you know that’s what I pedal through vital mind reset it’s it’s these rituals are extremely powerful and when you’re at that fork in the road I I still would would say that it’s worth considering but for just wellness and exploration especially in women I can’t say that I I would be the greatest ambassador of of that kind of a practice versus you know like you said focusing on optimizing the conditions of how charge is moving through your body first and and foremost you know it’s interesting now that you
(56:23) think uh because I I I had the flash of wonder if you water fast uh is and you don’t drink too much you may be uh essentially egging or forcing your mitochondri to produce more water so like get that function going right and and it’s you know I’m I am a huge Kinton fan actually and have for years taking it but even if I were taking those ampules right like even just like a little bit of support but it was just just strict strict strict water no lemon no salt no nothing so yeah I think there maybe are some slight modifications but
(56:56) then you’d be off in the wilderness you know because this is the protocol that has been you know there’s a huge field of belief around it there are outcomes around it this is how it’s done and you’d be you know pioneering on your own which certainly is probably more and more what is being asked of us these days with gentle support and like-minded you know folks to bounce our experience off of So to that end Tom I’d love for you to say a word or two about your clinic about the new bi Clinic because I know that that’s the esos that you I’ve
(57:31) I’ve had the uh pleasure of sitting in on some of the the meetings that take place with the can I call them faculty with the folks who are you know offering support to your members and that is the ethos from what I have observed it is you know how can we create the conditions for people to find within themselves what makes the most sense and you have collected uh like minded practitioners and when I say like-minded you know I mean around you know things like having been disabused of germ Theory Etc you know I just interviewed
(58:05) for Reclamation radio Moren McMichael who is a veterinarian who’s on your staff and it’s extraordinary to be creating a field of Health Reclamation I’ll call it that you know that is is predicated on these Fearless you know principles and then you know the people who it’s like just sometimes interacting with somebody who who shares that foundational belief it helps you to remember within yourself what is best doesn’t mean you’re going to do exactly what they say doesn’t you’re necessarily going to follow protocol it’s not like
(58:37) you guys are selling some protocol in there that’s not what’s going on it’s a community based reorientation towards yourself and um I think it’s fantastic I love every single person that I’ve met through you uh in that space so I’d love for you to just speak a little bit about um what you’re up to in there and the how generous you are with your time and attention in my opinion in those spaces with your community and and members and we’ll make sure that people know how to opt in yeah well thanks Kelly and I mean
(59:07) there’s so few people now who are like medical doctors or Health Care practitioners there’s you and Andy and that’s about it but so it’s sort of like a challenge particularly from my son Asher you know so here we are talking about all these things why don’t we do something about it like help people well you know like I’m too busy or whatever I’m not too busy I’m just it’s lazy but so okay so we say okay we have these principles you know and but the principles are we just don’t accept things because everybody else says
(59:48) they’re true so if everybody says there’s viruses we don’t accept it if everybody says there’s riosol we don’t so how do these things work and what are the principles of helping people regain their health and we’ve come together as a sort of group to try to explore these thing you know these ideas these and and how do you translate that into I have my foot hurts and I have a cough and I have I just had a heart attack and I just got diagnosed with ovarian cancer what how do you translate this these ideas into an actual way of of helping
(1:00:30) people’s lives get better and so that’s what we’re exploring and you come to certain things that you know I see it as we used to know how to do that uh and there was a whole elaborate culture civilization based on healing and and healing modalities and it got lost you know largely and so we’re at the beginning of recre creating how does that all work and so we’re we’re we’re all baby steps in this and so if we’re all baby steps it’s not a bad idea to to form a group of people and say you know what did you see and what what happened
(1:01:12) with this and what did this person tell you and should maybe if you had asked them this and so we’re we’re essentially forming a group around people who are asking for our help and seeing if we can help them and it’s really exciting because our the group of people who are working on this are just really into it they’re fabul they’re honest searching people and you can’t ask for anything more than that who don’t accept things because that’s the way they were told I mean we’ve all you know all the doctors have been through
(1:01:50) medical school it’s like it’s indoctrination and it’s not easy to get out of that uh but once you do it’s incredibly freeing exciting and the possibilities are endless but we have to like work together to figure out how to where we go from here that’s how I see it so yeah we appreciate everybody’s interest in joining us and we have all kinds of events and ways of looking at it you know people who’ve become expert in biofield tuning and freedom and a vet and a neurologist and a psychiatrist who don’t do that anymore
(1:02:32) but but also have like I make a distinction between treating the psyche of a person versus treating a person who has a psyche and the psyche may be the field that’s most uh uh interfered with right now like so you may have ALS that’s a neurological problem and it’s not a bad idea a to have somebody who’s seen that 20 30 40 times but it’s not you’re not going to be treated at as a nervous dis system disease it’s every disease is you no exceptions amen and I think it is wise for us to not throw the baby out with the bathwater of
(1:03:17) experience right so having having seen you know what I would call these patterns of so-called diagnosis it it does inform especially when you’ve come to this New Perspective and and this new paradigm it does inform and weave this quilts that I that’s what sort of what I was you know it’s like we’re all weaving this quilt together and it is Grassroots and it is community sourced and you are creating um the space for us to do that so I’m so grateful to you well so are you Kelly well big time together together big big big time you’ve pulled
(1:03:56) MDS out of the woodwork that I didn’t know existed so it’s not it’s not just me you and calman any longer um and that feels great it feels really it feels really good and and fun like you said inspirational and exciting and that’s how the truth should feel feel that way so thank you Tom for this chat there will be more and yeah always good thank you thank you [Music] you [Music]
