(00:00) when the drugs or the chemo or the radiation or the surgeries of the diets don’t work this is when a lot of people started investigating what am I going to do is there another way I saw the scan she literally regrew 10 cm of that tissue that was physically removed what that says is that the human body has the innate capacity to regenerate itself at any age if it’s given the right information science and spirituality to inspire personal transformation Joe dispenser Joe dispenser Joe dispenser prominent figure in the field of
(00:33) [Music] mind we have had people with stage four cancer that metastasized to their bones and to all their organs have no evidence of cancer so the first step to change is becoming so conscious of your unconscious thoughts that you don’t go unconscious to them we become addicted to the life we don’t even like when you’re inside the jar you can’t read the label so we got to get you outside the jar hi and welcome back to Reclamation radio I am Dr Kelly Brogan and today I have of the one the only Dr Joe dispenza if somehow you are not familiar with his
(01:07) groundbreaking work he is New York Times bestselling author researcher lecturer and corporate consultant and he has developed a practical formula to help people to change their lives and has outcomes that are history-making and now more and more scientifically Quantified and studied and I’m an outcomes girly so this conversation is super super super important and exciting to me so we will delve into the fact that you can indeed grow back your body tissues in case you’re wondering we’ll also look at the role of
(01:50) emotions in disrupting and evolving and transforming the identity that has become addicted to your struggles we will look at the number one reason why we don’t change so essentially we’re going to look at how it is that we can change our bodies our beliefs our personalities and our potential I’m not sure there’s a subject that is more essential to explore so enjoy this welcome Joe to the show I’m so happy to be with you it’s really it’s really such an honor and there are so so many different topics that I could pick your
(02:32) brain about and explore with you but there’s one in particular I want to focus on during this hour and it is the nature of change and I would argue that you are one of the world’s experts in this particular topic and just for a bit of context you know when I began to focus on health transformation not only in my personal life but in my clinical career I became totally obsessed with outcomes you know and you could you could say maybe it was an extension of my materialist worldview and my sort of very concrete you know logical rational
(03:07) mind I don’t know but I decided that knowing what is possible is an essential ingredient in the what I would call the permission to want that thing for others right so I would often like invoke your outcomes my mentor Dr Nicholas Gonzalez’s outcomes and eventually my own as a way of opening up this permission field for others so that they could want something that maybe they wouldn’t have imagined was even available or or possible before this kind of a share before these testimonials before these sometimes scientifically published proofs but over
(03:49) time I also began to understand that you know changing your story changing your concept of yourself your identity changing your mind changing your body it’s not just about consciously wanting it right so there’s there’s more to the story and there are even these Subterranean vectors of of influence so today I want to focus on the anatomy of change so why we don’t and how we can and I want to really just start with a bang I want to ask you if you could share to date what are some of the most unbelievable outcomes that and
(04:30) I say unbelievable you know sort of tongue and cheek right to the average lay person what are some of the most unbelievable outcomes that you have come across right what are the examples that have expanded your even your personal worldview around what is possible sure I mean uh I’d like to respond to just a few things that you said before I talk about something that’s changed me just in some of the things I’ve witnessed first of all I do I I do think people do the best with what they think is available and if they don’t know if
(05:03) there’s something that they could use in some way or that there’s a possibility they make the same choice and I think that’s kind of what a lot of people do when it comes to their health care but when the drugs or the chemo or the radiation or the surgeries or the diets don’t work this is when people really a lot of people start investigating what am I going to do is there another way you know and and the exploration the idea that there’s another way or other possibility causes them to change their belief in what’s possible and one of the
(05:36) fundamental ways that we discovered that helps people do that is knowledge and information and it’s really important for people to understand that there may be another possibility that they were just unaware of okay so if that knowledge then is presented to them in a credible way that’s scientific and easy to understand the science enhances their belief in what’s possible and removes their doubt if you see a testimonial of someone who stands up on the stage in front of a large audience of people and talks about how they how were diagnosed
(06:08) with stage four cancer and they spent the last year changing the way they thought the way they acted and the way they felt and lo and behold their body began to respond to their changes when someone does that it’s a 4-minute mile and everybody in the audience is seeing evidence they’re seeing the truth they’re seeing the example of truth right in front of them and invariably somebody in the audience will look at that person and say she doesn’t look very vegan she doesn’t look ketogenic she doesn’t look very young or
(06:41) very fit or she doesn’t dress a certainly she just looks like an average person and when you see that and you’re witnessing a story like that the person in the audience with a similar health condition identifies with that person and now they’re belief in what’s possible and their Credence in that outcome is actually enhanced now I just want to be really clear that that’s not enough I mean because we discovered that people uh do their meditations in this work not to heal they do their meditations to change and they
(07:11) understand when they change they’ll heal and I think when people stand on the stage and tell their story it’s like the 4-minute mile I believe that you know it breaks a certain level of Consciousness or unconsciousness to what’s possible and now the collective is becoming aware of possibility so to what extent that I’ve SE scene at work has blown my mind and I’ll I’ll tell you a story uh that just happened recently in our 10-day event in Cancun in December which was a fabulous event and I never planned on doing a 10-day event it just people ask
(07:44) can we we do seven days can we do 10 days and we’ve got great data of change that takes place in most people when they immerse themselves in seven days of transformation so the the idea was let’s go 10 and let’s see if the data is even more exciting and the community asked for anyway they brought a lady backst who was diagnosed with col rectal cancer and the typical protocol for that is you know you remove that part of the body so they they surgically removed her rectum in part of her colon and when you lose that part of your body you lose bow
(08:19) control you lose your dignity you can’t be more than 10 ft from a restroom you’re spending the majority of time there she had a bag she couldn’t sleep she got depressed she got suicidal and the doctors told her you know at your age you’re going to have to learn to live with this now I know this is crazy for your audience and it’s crazy for me too because what I witnessed on the stage that day changed me forever and so her whole goal was to be able to grow part of her rectum and colon back now if you physically take
(08:53) tissue away and it’s no longer there uh it’s not in the current belief Paradigm that you can regenerate right tissue and so she started her work her inner work and after a period of time she was able to do a whole meditation without sitting on the toilet or getting up and breaking and going to the toilet and then she started noticing that those periods got a little bit longer and that’s all she needed right because as soon as you notice that change some something changes you’re noticing what you’re doing is creating
(09:24) that so you do more of it you do it with greater intention so she came to a week-long retreat a few years ago maybe a year and a half ago and of course you know this is a big deal for her because she hasn’t left her house and she went through every single lecture in every single meditation during that week long without having to use the restroom again another big change she goes to the doctor after that event and she has 5 cm of her rectum and colon growing back and then she came to the event in in December in Cancun and uh I saw the I
(09:59) saw the scan uh she literally regw 10 cm of that tissue that was physically removed she lost nine and she grew back 10 I saw the scan it was juvenile opalescent vascular young regenerated tissue it wasn’t Scar Tissue it was a brand new tissue and she changed her life and what that says is that the human body has the innate capacity to regenerate itself at any age if it’s given the right information now that’s not part of how we’re programmed we’re programmed into something completely different and up until my personal observation of that I
(10:41) would have it would have been a stretch for me like uh yeah maybe but like the salamander like the octopus like the starfish somehow she regenerated tissue and and again we have to change our belief in what’s possible so we have people that have grown back thyroids we have had people with stage four cancer that metastasized you know to their bones and to all their organs have no evidence of cancer it has become quite the exploration for me in in stretching my own personal belief that is extraordinary and totally consistent
(11:11) with what I have come to imagine is possible I I wonder did she focus intentionality on that or was it just a secondary effect of what no she was she was intentional she told the the surgeon she said I want to grow my tissue back and the surgeon of course said you know that’s not possible or I don’t believe it is but her husband said I believe you can do it and she never missed the day and so when she got in the right State of Mind and Body kind of this altered state that we teach you know the door between the conscious mind and the
(11:42) subconscious mind is opened up to information you got to be able to change your brain waves to do that so whatever she has the intention that she’s imagining and she can make that thought more real than anything else that intention acts as information that begins to Signal the autonomic nervous system which controls and coordinates all other systems to get busy to begin to biologically change the body to reflect the information it’s receiving and you can’t do that in fear you can’t do that in frustration you can’t do that
(12:13) in Anger that information doesn’t make it in they she has to change her emotional state as well so she had all the reasons in the world uh in the beginning of her journey to feel discouraged to feel victimized to feel fearful and she changed her emotional state and by beginning to feel that emotion the body could receive that information so you have to in this case combine a clear intention that’s the information regulate your brain States open the door and then move the body into an elevated emotion that tends to
(12:49) be more heart-c centered and when we’re feeling the emotion of the future before it happens the body is the unconscious mind it’s so objective it doesn’t know the difference between the real life experience that’s creating that emotion and the emotion that person’s creating by thought alone the body’s believing it’s living in a new environment and if the environment signals the Gene and it does and the end product of an experience in the environment is an emotion she’s literally signaling genes ahead of the environment and genes make
(13:18) proteins and proteins are responsible for the structure and function of the body and you could literally begin if you did it consistently to begin to regenerate new tissue and I’m sure she had a few dark nights but she never stopped believing in that she could do it and the belief in the idea that she could was what drove her every day to to apply and do something with it so so there’s a a way that we alter a person state that allows them to to begin to program their autonomic nervous system I’ve been very interested in sort of the
(13:52) upside of struggle and from a psycho emotional perspective do you think that chronic illness is synonymous with an identity that there is some attachment that then gets loosened through this emotional access to a new state of being that can program the body where a new identity can be assumed you know what do you what do you imagine I’m sure this is difficult to summarize but what do you imagine is is driving these states of chronic illness especially in cases like this where you know she’d been living for some time
(14:25) with an entirely new way of being in her body that was extremely limited so more than 95% of people that walk into a doctor’s office that walk in for chronic health condition is walk they’re walking in because of lifestyle or behaviors or choices 95% of all diseases or chronic or chronic health conditions are lifestyle based very small percentage are genetic so then in order to change a chronic health condition you got to change your lifestyle but if people 90% of their thoughts are the same thoughts as the day before the same thoughts lead
(14:59) to the same choices and the same choices lead to the same behaviors and the same behaviors create the same experiences and by craving the same experiences they produce the same feelings and emotions and those same emotions influence the very same thought their biology their neuros circuitry their neurochemistry their hormones their gene expression stays the same because they’re staying the same and throwing in the hormones of stress which creates autonomic disregulation moves us out of homeostasis moves us out of balance
(15:26) moves us into emergency mode feel those emotions that are correlated with anger and aggression and hatred and judgment and fear and anxiety and insecurity and hopelessness and powerlessness and depression and guilt and shame you know those emotions that actually downregulate genes and create disease and the person’s headed for a genetic Destiny so a crisis or a trauma a diagnosis disease is always going to wake the person up and and and they’re going to realize that that they got to be they got to do something right and so
(16:00) if you keep thinking the same way you keep acting the same way and you keep feeling the same way how you think how you act and how you feel is called your personality and your personality is intimately connected to your personal reality the principal Neuroscience that says that neres cells that fire together wire together keep thinking the same way keep making the same choices keep doing the same things keep creating the same experiences that stamp the same networks of neurons into the same patterns all for the familiar feeling called you do
(16:27) that for five years on end now 95% of the personality the identity of that person is a set of hardwired attitudes beliefs and perceptions automatic habits and behaviors and unconscious emotional reactions and responses 95% is operating automatically behind the scenes of our awareness so our personality is literally programmed okay well that makes sense so then that personality that’s creating a personal reality if I want to change my personal reality I have to change my personality and then fundamental question is why is
(17:06) it so hard to change well it’s so hard to change as we started this conversation is because 95% of who we are has been programmed so the first step to change is becoming so conscious of your unconscious thoughts that you don’t go unconscious to them again in your day and the hardest part about change is no longer making the same choice and when you decide to make a different Choice get ready it’s going to feel uncomfortable it’s going to feel unfamiliar there’s going to be a lot of uncertainty a lot of unpredictability
(17:33) and most people just return back to the same choice because it feels good and if you’re going to really change you’re going to have to pay attention to how you speak and all the habits that keep you behaving as if you’re in your past you’d have to avoid certain experiences with certain people and certain conditions in your life we’ve all done this I need a break get away from my environment and you got to decide this this does this feeling of anger this a feeling of hatred this feeling of frustration this feeling of resentment
(18:02) is this loving to me I mean is this working for me and those feelings or emotions are a record of the past right so the word meditation means to become familiar with so you got to become so familiar with so conscious of your unconscious self that you don’t go unconscious to yourself in your waking day so the person who has a chronic health condition they have to change their personality and it’s the overcoming process that has to be combined with the becoming process another Bel is just a thought we keep thinking over and over again and the
(18:32) belief is that you can’t heal well that’s your belief well if you want to truly change you got to change that belief and it’s not easy because you got to remember to think differently you got to keep remembering to think differently over and over again so that nerve cells that fire together begin to wire together and that thought is becoming Hardware in your brain keep repeating it keep with keep assigning meaning that if I have this intention and with attention I keep thinking this way sooner or later it’ll be the new voice
(19:00) in my head okay how am I going to behave with my ex with my co-workers with my children if I’m truly going to heal my health condition I can’t behave in the same way I can’t react in the same way let me close my eyes and rehearse in my mind how I’m going to be with my coworker that I resent because this resentment is is making me sick okay so now all of a sudden become super practical so the act of closing your eyes and rehearsing an act when you’re truly present the brain does not know the difference between the real life
(19:31) experiencing and what you’re Imagining the brain is looking like you already did it looks like the experience has already happened there’s been great research on this now the brain is no longer a record of the past actually it’s a map to the Future so you’re installing hardware and keep remembering to behave this way your behaviors will match your intentions and you’ll do something differently and that that different choice and that different act will create a new experience and then what is the emotion that is loving to
(19:57) you let’s practice feeling this emotion so much if I have to practice in my meditation to feel this way over and over again so I can feel this way on command and start opening my heart if a person does it over and over again they’ll become familiar with that new emotional state they’ll become familiar with a new way of thinking a new way of acting so most people try to create a new personal Reality by being the same personality and it doesn’t work we literally have to become someone else so whether it’s health or wealth or love or
(20:27) a mystical experience if this is your vision of the future if this is your goal and you’re this person here there’s no way you’re going to arrive at this Vision or this goal unless you change enough times to actually become that person and so as I said people do the work really to understand that oh my God the number one thing I’m going to do is I’m not going to work on healing I’m going to work on getting back into homeostasis like getting back in the balance because I’ve mismanaged my emotions I’ve been in survival I’ve been
(20:58) in stress I’ve been out of balance so I’m not going to react I’m going to practice not reacting I’m going to practice not thinking this way and that’s diving into that 95% uh to change and so going from the old self to the new self there is a neurological there is a biological there’s a chemical there’s a hormonal genetic death of the old self that does not feel good uh because a part of us is actually dying give people the understanding of that and teach them how to change and and we spend a lot of time talking about what it means to change to
(21:31) change is to be greater than the conditions in your environment to be able to think act and feel differently in your life and not let any person or circumstance or any condition in your life influence the way you’re thinking or feeling like that person’s making me feel bad that would make us a victim to our environment to change is to be greater than the habits that we create by doing the same thing and thinking the same thing and feeling the same way over and over again and to overcome the emotions that keep us connected to the
(22:01) past that have been conditioned into the body so the change is to be greater than your body to be greater than the program that wants you to get up and stay on the autopilot and be greater than um the emotions that keep siphoning our attention into the past and the change is to be greater than time that means then you can’t live in the predictable future or the familiar past you got to you got to master the present moment and so when we teach people that and you give them opportunities to apply it just like learning anything else so whether
(22:30) you’re learning how to dance the salsa or you’re learning how to ski or you’re learning how to crochet or learning how to hit a golf ball if you keep practicing it’s going to get easier for you and and that’s what we want to do we want to make it practical for people so like chronic health conditions um require a lifestyle change and we discover that when people change for the most part their their their health changes and you can say to the person where’s the cancer where’s the where’s the where’s the chronic health condition
(22:55) they’ll say oh it’s in the other person it’s in the old person I’m literally somebody else so seos has become quite a thing lately and I love myself a therapeutic food over a supplement any day but there’s seamos and then there’s my fave Sama seamoss so most people don’t realize that mineral deficiency is one of the biggest drivers of imbalance whether you’re experiencing that as fatigue or wak gain or Cravings so unless you’re growing your own food it doesn’t contain almost by definition the spectrum of minerals that our ancestors
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(24:07) that I also put a little bit of sea salt in and lime or lemon key lime is actually my favorite and I noticed the shift in my digestion after just a week the best part is that it tastes like nothing which makes it super easy to add to your routine so if you want to experience the benefits yourself samati is offering 10% off with the code kelly1 check out the link in show notes and enjoy I love how you talk about the role of emotional arousal because the prioritization of stimulus and the kind of surrogate life force
(24:44) that we get access to when we are in conflict or tension or frustration resentment disappointment dramas becomes at some point I think less compelling than other emotional states like as I’ve studied the change that I’ve witnessed in my clinical years I always noticed that the movement in the direction of change was accompanied by a sense of relief that wasn’t available when the change was less actionable meaning like you will only change when it feels like a new state that you value right to move in the direction of that so when you
(25:23) talk about the invocation of these like the willful invocation of these emotional states you’re talking about developing a level of intimacy and maybe even like Mastery over the emotional um moment you know that that we’re having so you know how does this play into what we were talking about before I started recording the addictions you know that we have to our habits of struggle I was telling you that the past couple of years for me have been marked by a titration into peace and stability and Harmony and ease
(25:59) and there’s definitely a part of me that misses like the intense somatic arousal that I would have when I would have drama or I was dealing with many different aspects of addiction from work to love and the quiet um has been something that I I needed to expand my capacity to hold so when you talk to people about the addiction that we have to the habit of being ourselves right this old personality that wants to be wants to be shed is awareness like an important first step to just like watch that oh wow I got that stressful email
(26:36) and now my heart is racing and I feel flushed with energy and there might be some aspect of this that I actually am really into you know in order to begin to Value another state that could be willfully invoked even in the absence of like a a ready stimulus like a real life stimulus in that person’s life yeah so I’d love to hear a little bit more about this addiction because I invoke your your Concepts all the time when I talk to people about why they’re stuck about the upside of staying the same and the downside of of changing that it has a
(27:10) lot to do with these reward cycles that we associate with our struggles right yeah so so great conversation well the arousal that’s created when you move into emergency mode when you perceive a threat or danger in your environment when you anticipate the worst case scenario when you’re life when you can’t control something you can’t predict something yeah we signal the emergency system the fight ORF flight nervous system and that is an arousal and the arousal is a rush of energy and the rush of energy is giving the body of the
(27:42) resources it’s tapping its resources so it can outrun a predator it could fight could hide it could survive in some way stay alive is the name of the game what most people don’t understand is that that arousal then becomes like an addiction A Rush of energy and people use the problems and conditions in their life to reaffirm their addiction to that emotion and it’s physiological they need the bad job they need the bad relationship they need the drama to give them a rush of energy and so in a sense we become addicted to the life we don’t even like
(28:17) and we can turn on that stress response just by thinking about our problems which means then we can become addicted to our own thoughts and the Very thoughts that we’re thinking is causing the body to move and the Brain move out of balance but the rush of adrenaline the rush of and the arousal that’s created for the body becomes so habituated or addictive that they keep the stress response turned on for an extended period of time and if you turn on the stress response and you can’t turn it off now you’re headed for
(28:46) disease because the body can’t live in emergency mode it’s tapping all of its resources okay so then is there anything wrong with emotionally reacting no I I emotionally react all the time the question is is how long I mean those chemicals physiologically last from 90 seconds to 2 minutes in the body so if you’re keeping those chemicals going for an extended period of time then it’s called an addiction because an addiction is something that you you think you can’t stop or an addiction is knowing that something is not good for you and
(29:18) you’re doing it anyway well most people don’t think that oh my God this emotion that I’m feeling Justified or not is actually harming nobody else but me in that moment that person is getting the rush of adrenaline and it’s signaling A Primitive survival system that they’re not going to want to get beyond their fear or their anger or their aggression or their pain in that moment because when the signal is switched on you’re you’re concerned about three things you’re concerned about everything in your environment the senses are
(29:48) heightened we narrow our focus on the material world it’s all about what’s going on out there the rush of adrenaline causes us to feel our bodies it gives us energy and the rush in survival causes us try to try to predict the future based on the past so then all of our attention is on our body our environment and time and to change is to be greater than your body to be greater than your environment to be greater than time which means when we’re under stress it’s really hard to change it doesn’t feel good to change it’s not a time to
(30:17) change it’s time to run fight and hide okay so tell a person that the emotions that they’re feeling that are connected to their past are not serving them and they’re addicted to it and and I want you to know just like any addiction you’re going to go through cravings and you’re going to go through withdrawals and you probably had some bad trips and overdoses and now the body has been conditioned emotionally either by thought and feeling by image and Emotion by stimulus and response the trauma is just not in the brain now the trauma the
(30:49) emotion is stored in the body the body’s literally anchored to the past and it’s saying I don’t want to go to the Future because I can’t predict it if I can’t predict it it’s the unknown I want to stay in the familiar territory or I tell the person that those emotions don’t serve them they actually downregulate genes and create disease and that emotion’s causing them to behave as if they’re in their past and believe in their past and there’s another way to do it and they and they start realizing oh my God okay game on now put them in a
(31:16) meditation and have them become conscious of I can’t it’s too hard I want to quit it’s taking too long yeah you know all of that and sit there and become conscious of those unconscious thoughts that sneak by your awareness all day long unchecked or unnoticed and know thyself become so conscious that of that unconscious thought that you would never think that way again and it takes an enormous amount of awareness Kelly it takes an enormous amount of energy too though because most people give up and say I can’t change and that’s their
(31:46) belief and that it’s not conscious or it’s too hard or whatever but what’s on the other side of that thought someone sits past that we discovered that’s when the brain changes the most if your body’s programmed to get up and do something or you complain or you blame or you make excuses you feel sorry for yourself and you want to be happy that’s not a happy person that’s an unhappy person have a person go oh my God I I complain all the time that must be I must be tormenting my body okay that’s not it’s not me happy I got to break
(32:12) that habit and a habit is an unconscious process and so the only way you’re going to get really good at it is becoming conscious and not going unconscious and how many times do we have to forget until we stop forgetting and start remembering okay so now I know the emotion is addictive I’m addicted to frustration I’m addicted to resentment I’m addicted to impatience whatever have the person sit in the meditation and watch the body get aroused get worked up get frustrated and instead of saying I can’t do this be curious on what’s on
(32:42) the other side of that emotion teach them how to lower the volume to that emotion and bring the body back into the present moment and you were training an animal and if you keep training the animal if you keep training the body to get into that present moment and the present moment is the unknown have it relax into to the unknown when you’re executing a will that’s greater than the program when you’re executing a mind that’s greater than the body mind that act of intention and will the act of doing that does take an enormous amount
(33:10) of awareness and enormous amount of energy but if you stick with it we’ve discovered this thousands of times sooner or later the body surrenders to a new mind and when that happens there’s a liberation of energy we go from particle to wave the the emotion that’s stored in the body that keeps the body in the past is being liberated the body is no longer living in the past because that person who’s addicted to that emotion the body is believing it’s living in the same environmental condition the environment signals the Gene and now they’re headed
(33:39) for a genetic Destiny Okay when the body finally can surrender into the present moment and there’s a Liberation energy naturally moves into into our hearts we’ve discovered it the body is out of those out of those survival centers and when it moves into the heart what it does is it tells the brain there’s a there’s a wave of energy that moves to the the brain when the heart opens up and it tells the brain the trauma’s over the past is over the event is over and it resets the Baseline for that trauma and the body’s literally moved out of
(34:08) the past into the present moment and the person breaks that addiction to that emotion and the side effect of that is called Joy the absence of that addiction that’s keeping the body in survival the body can actually relax and energy moves into the heart and we’re more grateful and we’re more appreciative and we’re more kind and more caring more loving it’s a whole different consciousness so question is is it worth the effort and I I believe it is I think I’ve seen it in all sizes all ages we have 8-year-old
(34:36) children that come to a weeklong event we have 92 91 94 year old people that come all cultures all Races doesn’t matter you can’t tell me you’re too old to do this work you can’t tell me you’re too sick to do this do this work you can’t tell me you had a brutal past we’ve got people that have had horrific pasts that that were suicidal and and were in a lot of trouble and they overcame themselves and and they look back at their past and they say I would I would never change a thing in my past it got me to this moment I would have never
(35:08) changed unless I got that diagnosed I would I would have never changed so they’re not victimized by the adversity in their life they they’ve turned that adversity into wisdom so what I hear is that there’s a role for Will there’s a role for intention there’s a role for discipline and practice and the quieting into the void you know of the Mind visualization but I also know that you know invoking these elevated states of emotion is a huge part of your formula so what would you say to somebody who is so accustomed and addicted to which is
(35:46) most of us probably to these so-called negative states that they actually can’t even invoke what they imagine a positive state would feel like right so many of the women that I work with they have such such a a tenuous relationship to their own desire to their own imagination and to what it might be like to actually feel the way they want to feel uh because they’re so focused on just eliminating what it is that they don’t want in their life that this cultivation of possibility as we were talking about is really kind of
(36:19) atrophied so is it relevant you know if you sit down and you do a meditation and you you just you know are trying to invoke this this future that that you want to imagine but you can’t even feel it like is that a problem or is that something that just comes later after you quiet down enough like you’re saying that Joy is a is a almost a consequence that it emerges yeah the process of change we’ve discovered is is unlearning and relearning it’s breaking the habit of the old self and Reinventing a new self it’s stop thinking One Way start
(36:53) thinking another way stop feeling One Way start feeling another way stop firing and wiring certain circuits in your brain and refire and rewire deprogram reprogram lose your mind create a new one unemori don’t I don’t know how to feel these emotions there’s nothing wrong with that more than likely they’ve had some past events in their life that tell them don’t open your heart protected don’t get vulnerable that’s dangerous I’m so you I’m so accustomed to feeling these emotions I can’t feel any other emotions well well that’s great that’s a
(37:37) good place to start so if a person’s really going to make the change then their effort should be about overcoming that old self that’s really their e that’s where the effort should be the catching themselves where the Mind goes unconscious and coming back every time they do that it’s a victory and sooner or later the body is literally going to acques and that’s when the energy moves in our events the first couple days that we call it getting Beyond yourself all the programs all the thoughts all your frustration
(38:09) all your judgments you know all that comes up and people are constantly given the practice okay if you’ve been practicing feeling victimization for the last 20 you’re so good that doesn’t even feel like victimization it feels like you then yeah it’s going to take some work because when you’re inside the jar you can’t read the label so we got to get you outside the jar okay so let’s get you feeling another well I can feel this way okay let’s show you the data okay if you’re living in fight ORF flight all the time and when you’re
(38:42) living in emergency your breath changes you either contract your breath or you you breathe really fast it’s not that’s not good for the body right okay so we know that if you slow your breathing down you slow your brain waves down and if you slow your breathing down you can convert from that fight flight nervous system to the nervous system of relaxation of the parasympathetic so let’s breathe let’s practice doing this let’s work with your body let’s retrain the animal okay it’s used to being vigilant it’s used to being anxious okay
(39:11) you know that and it’s GNA it’s going to Crave those emotions it’s going to Crave wanting to feel the way let’s train it first two or three days nothing happens but we know if you put your attention on your heart we have the data to show that like you’re filling a gas tank with a very low frequency I was just looking at the data yesterday okay where I place my attention is where I place my energy if I place enough attention here I’m placing enough life force then my heart could bloom pedal by pedal okay what if
(39:36) it takes me seven days will I just keep practicing okay I’m going to stop feeling guilt I’m going start feeling gratitude well I don’t have anything to be gr grateful for well let’s start let’s start so you get the person putting their attention on their heart you get them slowing their breathing down I talk to them I have them practice feeling elevated emotions not to feel it with their head feel it with their heart sooner or later that Center begins to open and then you got to remember the feeling you got to keep remembering the
(40:00) feeling if you keep doing it over and over again the feeling is chemistry and you’re literally changing your Chemistry by changing your feelings okay so give people numerous opportunities to practice even when they don’t want to even when they don’t feel like it everybody else is doing it so do it give them give them numerous opportunities to overcome themselves to get Beyond themselves give them the formula give them the road map and keep giving them knowledge and information and then pushing them into the applic ation the
(40:28) personalization the demonstration the initiation sooner or later their behavior is going to match their intentions and when it happens they have a new experience they understand the philosophy the theory The Experience produces the feeling and emotion and they start feeling more whole or they start feeling more worthy or more grateful now the body is getting new information and the new information is emotions and so over a course of time a person can literally go from the old self to the new self because when
(40:52) they’re believing in their future they’re feeling the emotion that’s associated with it and this is so fun fundamentally important because when you feel the emotion of your future before it happens you will no longer look for it how can you look for it if it feels like it’s already happened that’s when the synchronicities the opportunities the coincidences begin to flourish in our life and stepping out into your life you have to get so good at doing it with your eyes closed that you got to do it with your eyes open in other words you
(41:20) got to get really good at staying there uh in that emotional state and no person no circumstance will move you from that’s like that’s a victorious day one day one lifetime that’s when it gets to be fun so when the person sees the fruits of their efforts in a change in their symptom in their body they’re sleeping through their night they have more energy they can eat more Foods their pain levels go down that’s all they need soon as they get that then they know oh my God I’m doing something to make me feel better so we give people
(41:50) a lot of knowledge and information we build the model they have to be able to understand it because if they can understand it they understand what they’re doing and they understand why they’re doing it so the how gets easier and God we have people like we work with special ops and prisoners and Navy Seals that they’ve seen some of the worst things and done some of the worst things and they have really high PTSD and once they if you tell a Navy SEAL who’s an elite elite individual to open their heart they’re not going to
(42:21) say I can’t they’re not going to say I don’t know how they’re just going to sit there till they figure it out and if I tell them when they open their heart it resets the Baseline for the trauma in their brain they will not give up until they do it and blow and behold the body literally literally is dragged out of the past so it takes an immersive experience to do it the point I’m trying to make is that that if other people can do it certainly you can do it you’ve done the work you’ve regulated your nervous system you’ve reclaimed your
(42:48) feminine and somehow still you’re met with blank stairs dropped balls and dead bedroom energy you didn’t sign up to be his coach his therapist or his mother you signed up for partnership for a husband and a man for devotion for polarity and now you may be wondering is this just how it is do I just settle or do I go all collie and burn it down suffocated staying terrified of leaving this is the Trap reclaimed relationship is the third path no therapy no ultimatums just a new way of moving that shifts everything if you’re ready to
(43:26) stop commiserating and start commanding a deeper safer sexier Bond you’ll want to join me in my upcoming Master Class reclaimed relationship on April 15th where we’ll explore how to shift your entire relational field through softness embodiment and the kind of energetic recalibration that invites devotion back in without needing to say a word head to Kelly Brogan md.
(43:51) com to join and receive my 5day soft power protocol see you there how often do you see a sort of regression you know my my mentor Nick Gonzalez was very focused on very long-term outcomes so you know he had like a 34 year at this point it’s probably many more year outcome for terminal pancreatic cancer for example and it was very important to him that he established that it wasn’t just you know a phenomenon of proximity to a certain kind of stimulus that this was a new way that this this person was existing do you see people have these especially in
(44:25) your group settings these these trans openings these reconditioning experiences and then revert back because of the the power of that addictive pull or is it usually just like they they hop to this new plateau and it’s relatively stable which is actually what what I’ve witnessed yeah myself well the answer is Kelly I’ve seen both I have seen people cross a river of change and some of them has taken 13 months they never missed a day because if they didn’t show up then they didn’t believe it was possible so they showed up for themselves right you
(44:58) believe in yourself you believe in possibility you believe in possibility you believe in yourself show up every day Take the Long Walk yeah some people it takes some people seven years no kidding for the cancer to be gone in their body eight months 13 months two years the the people who are making the transitions by changing their personality right by if I change nothing changes in my life until I change so I better start changing right so those people that are dealing they take that kind of long walk many of them heal stay
(45:27) healed because they continue to do the work they continue to keep changing right that’s got to be the constant others I’ve seen this happen with people with Parkinson’s disease that were completely healed have one emotional reaction where a family member wound up in the hospital with a very serious condition and almost died and the 1-hour drive from the home to the hospital all of their symptoms all of they couldn’t even get out of the car all of their symptoms returned why because the emotion is what’s that survival emotion
(45:56) is downregulating the gene you know genes are like Christmas tree lights they’re turning on and off all the time or they’re upregulating down all of a sudden boom she signaled all those genes and and and we’ve seen that happen by the way she ultimately stepped back and she said if I did it once I could do it again and she literally did it again there are other people that heal with metastatic cancer and they stop changing and some of those symptoms begin to come back and their values go in the wrong direction so they’ll tell you right away
(46:25) I’m slipping back into my old self again but the majority of people that that that have crossed the river and changed their personality they typically say as I said I’m not that person any longer I’m literally someone else and it is kind of like a temporal thing like they see the they they see themselves from a different from a different perspective now we also have this crazy data and I know you saw the documentary but this crazy data when people dial down their brain brain waves and they get just outside of normal and Theta Theta is
(46:56) Hypnotic state is when the door between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind is wide open to information that is the point where the person can access information and and like a hypnotist who’s using they put someone in Theta they can they they’re suggestible they’ll they’ll accept the information they’ll believe the information they’ll surrender to the information as if it’s the truth without analyzing it you can get people programmed to do anything right but this in this meditation the person’s in Theta they’re open to
(47:26) information but their eyes are closes the music’s filling the space they’re not smelling they’re not tasting they’re not feeling with their body but they’re still suggestible if the brain is coherent the brain is highly organized if it’s orderly there’ll come a moment we discovered when a person will begin to move into a very super aroused State they begin to connect to frequency and all frequency carries information and there’s way more information in the inmaterial than there is in the material so now somehow they connected this
(47:55) invisible field of energy and when they do the brain goes into a very heightened and when I say heightened I mean extremely heightened state of gamma brain wave patterns the gamma brain wave patterns are so outside of normal and so coherent and it’s taking place in the lyic brain not in the neocortex the seat of the autonomic nervous system they connection to energy and information through the autonomic nervous system which controls all other systems is sending coherent information to all the cells and tissues of the body energies
(48:26) and forming matter and they’re connecting and that arousal feels like doesn’t feel like anger it doesn’t feel like pain it doesn’t feel like fear the arousal is ecstasy like it’s it’s pure love and it’s inevitable people say I don’t have the language to describe I felt it somatically in my body like I felt like every cell in my body was vibrating or my heart exploded or the top of my head blew off or lightning was shooting out of their fingers they used metaphors and as very is very emotional like the feeling is very emotional like
(48:54) I I’ve never felt I don’t know what that is bliss easy connection love Source you know they come up with all kinds of names when that occurs and we see that normally there’s a biological upgrade in the body there’s the you know there’s the cancer now it’s gone there’s a blindness now it’s gone there’s now there’s a deafness now it’s gone there’s a rare genetic disorder muscular distrophy athenic Ravis spinal cord injury whatever it’s gone body’s lifted by light it’s lifted by a frequency those people that have those experiences
(49:24) they tend to be permanent like they just tend to be like wh it’s just kind of erased there’s information in the blood that takes 70% of the energy out of a cancer cell there’s information in the blood that causes neurogenesis with the growth of new neurons there’s information in the blood that produces endogenous opioids natural pain relievers 100% of the people somehow there’s information in the blood that’s upregulating genes and the information is not coming from our three-dimensional experience of reality the information is
(49:57) coming from that invisible field of energy that exists beyond our senses and so those people who have those experiences with Oneness or wholeness or a greater level of order it’s reflected in their biology as a greater level of order and if stress is autonomic disregulation and you’re going into super high states of coherent gamma which is very high frequency the autonomic nervous systems doing that that’s a whole lot of autonomic regulation and so the person somehow gets an upgrade in their experience they they come back and they’re in a new body
(50:32) they literally come back and they’re upgraded they’re in a new body they’re in a whole new life you know they can chew food now they can swallow they can blink their eyes they can stand up on their own they’re in a whole new life a whole new environment and they’re not certainly on the same line of time you know that they were on their genetic timeline they’re in a whole new future a whole new time and you can’t get the upgrade from three-dimensional reality you got to get the upgrade from from the reality Beyond and and so those people
(50:58) tend to have a more permanent State and we’re studying this by the way in you know a lot of a lot of um studies with blood and microbiome in and a lot of self-reported surveys too amazing I love the discussion of the information in the immaterial and it’s not just because I am still in my rebellious phase around my alpath medical training and how unacknowledged you know um I sometimes comment that you know psychiatrist means a doctor of the soul and like etymologically and I I never once heard the word soul in my entire you know ivy
(51:33) league training not one time so this is it’s very exciting to me it’s very fun and I um I wanted to share something I actually thought of you when I saw this message and the context is that it’s um like a group chat for a program that I have based on my last book uh the reclaimed woman and I have permission to share this because to me this is is an example of why it is imperative for us to step out of material explanations and when I left conventional medicine and conventional thinking I spent a long time in the functional medicine World
(52:12) which is still very focused on the material right so you know there are toxicant exposures there is the role of nutrition and diet there are all of these vectors of impact that you can change through behavior and of course I still do believe that these are relevant maybe because of the pattern disrupt that it represents to begin to change the things you buy begin to change the things and the way that you eat and drink Etc who knows how these things have an impact but I used to think you know oh okay well then to have a healthy
(52:45) pregnancy you need to eat well and you need to make sure you’re not exposed to toxicants that’s sufficient okay so this is a photo which I obviously I’m not going to show you now but it’s of this woman’s hand and she’s missing fingers on her hand and I’m just going to read a little paragraph because I tell the story of What’s called the handless maiden it’s like a folk story about the heroin’s journey in in my book so she says the handless maiden story is interesting because I was born without fingers my right hand which is not
(53:15) pictured here has the tips of the fingers cut off and stunted as well and she says it’s an example to me that it’s not all about genetics physical impingement or teratogenic tox toxic effects that we assume cause deformity we absorb way more from trauma and etheric Fields than we know and she says my mom when she was in utero she says my mom when I was in utero sliced off the exact same fingers in a tile saw and we have matching fingers the same three fingers the same right hand looks exactly the same she says my dad sliced
(53:50) off his thumb in a chopsaw when I was in Udo anyway the handless maiden I can relate she says and even though that’s about you know the the so-called impingement or negative effects of this field of information to me that one example means that we must move beyond the material how else could you possibly explain that you know and so it’s it’s like the spectrum of what is possible in terms of the information that we derive from the field that could keep us you know sick or experiencing adversity or deformity or or whatever it might be it’s the same
(54:32) principle obviously that extends into the Realms you’re invoking especially in these group Fields where things become informationally accessible that have really nothing to do with these material vectors that so many clinicians including myself are very interested in you know like the role of diet and the role of detox Etc so I wonder what you think about that because I as soon as I read that I thought wow I I have to I have to share this with him well first of all first of all I firmly believe that there is a
(55:01) thing called genomic imprinting and I do think that the information about the environment that the parent is experiencing is reflected in the seed and the Egg and that’s carrying information and many times if a person’s living in fear or living in fear and stress and that’s their emotional state the mother maternal blood flow is in constant communication with the child so whatever the mother is perceiving in the environment is going to be selecting and instructing genes for it to face the same conditions have a strong
(55:37) emotion with a memory and that’s stored in the body the gene can pass on to the the Next Generation by the same means a person who has healed themselves and has actually healed another person and has had really powerful experiences with that that information genetically can be passed on uh by the same means to the child but in a more practical sense I think a lot about this there’s three types of stress physical chemical and emotional physical stress trauma accidents injuries Falls chemical stress pesticides pollutants you know blood
(56:10) sugar levels bacteria viruses you know hangovers whatever emotional stress you know family tragedies you know the second mortgage of single parenting you know whatever 401ks loss all of these things knock the brain and body out of balance okay so the person then addresses their physical chemical and emotional balance most people will address the physical and chemical component they’ll exercise they’ll get massage they’ll maybe do acupuncture they may do interval training they may do yoga Chiropractic whatever they’re
(56:41) going to get their body back into physical balance they may do ketogenic they may do vegan organic vegan they may do intermittent fasting they may do peptides they may do vitamins minerals Pharmaceuticals whatever to get the body back into to chemical balance if they’re not dealing with the emotional component they could have the most ketogenic vegan diet they could do all the right exercise but if they’re constantly out of homeostasis because of their emotional state the probability of them healing will be lessen to a certain
(57:13) degree so my interest is pushing the envelope of by by if you teach a person how to put more attention on that invisible field with their awareness and less attention on the physical world pay more attention to it and less attention to you open your awareness to it feel it experience it pay attention to it relax into it fall in love with it become more of it and less of you person does that sooner or later if the brain’s in the right State and it gets coherent and it does their interaction with energy and frequency it should be reflected in
(57:47) their biology we see it in breast milil mothers who breast feed that come to our events at the end of seven days if we take their breast milk and put it on lacerated epithelial cells which normally take 2 weeks to heal they heal in 48 hours there’s information in the blood by them interacting with that invisible field of energy that’s closer to wholeness closer to order a greater level of energy there’s information in the blood that’s pro-life that’s progrowth that’s anti-cancer carcinogenic so again like to the
(58:18) materialist they would say well it doesn’t exist well if you’re unaware of it it doesn’t exist but if you become aware of it and you interact with it we discovered that if we take a group of people and they go through a 7-Day event they all have their own gene expression own individual genotype everybody does and genes make proteins at the end of seven days almost 80% of the population is making the same genes what does that mean that means there’s an emergent Consciousness that’s reflected in the biology of the collective the tribe the
(58:50) herd the flock they’re all evolving in seven days biologically together there’s an emergence that’s taking place so we know that there are that there is information in the field and the probability that we’re perceiving the truth of reality is actually zero we there’s more in the Unseen information wise than there’ll ever be in the scene so people just need to understand that premise and that idea and it’s so much easier to forget that like especially when you’re dealing with bills or kids or you know like it’s so much easier to
(59:26) focus on that but take a person get them Retreat from their life and feed them the right information and have them apply it and and give them this the science to show that it is possible they can make their brain work better they can make their heart work better in seven days they can change enough biology enough gene expression at the end of seven days to look like that their body’s living in a whole new life in a whole new environment that’s what our data shows get push people to that point where they want to stop and take
(59:54) have them go a little further and they begin to change yeah they’ll begin to interact with that energy and frequency and it will be reflected in their biology as a greater level of order and that’s the fun part about it all because when you come back to your senses you’re not the same person any longer that’s the fun part I am so grateful that you exist in the world I’m so grateful that you expand the permission field of what is possible the way that you do and that you are tirelessly on the ground also offering these opportunities and
(1:00:23) experiences because you could do what I do which is just sort of Yap from an ivory Tower and that’s not what you’re doing you’re rolling up your sleeves you are curating and presenting event opportunities for people to experience this live and I am so grateful that I can you know offer this resource to people in the world I hope you keep doing it for a good long time and I’d love you know I can’t imagine there are many people listening who aren’t familiar with your work but in the event that there are what do you imagine is
(1:00:55) the best way to enter into you know this this field that you’ve cultivated well listen we’ve done 55 weekl long Retreats it’s insane I’ve been in a weeklong retreat more for a year of my life more I think I think if you want to see you know like 80 different countries 2,300 people whatever it’s typically what it is coming to a week-long event I think is a really fullon immersive experience and and so you can start at all different levels you know I mean some people just want the understanding in the philosophy and you know there’s
(1:01:28) books that you can read about that I’ve written but other people really there’s a time in history where it’s not enough to know it’s kind of a time in history to know how right so join a collective and and you have to do an online course called the progressive workshop and that’s kind of like eight hours of lectures and four hours of meditations to practice now why do I do that because we got bodies to heal we got lives to change we got Futures to create we got the mystical to run into and I don’t want to start at that level I want to
(1:01:56) start at this level and so there’s an online course that people can immerse themselves in with meditations and practices we have the formula which is you know another course simple easy yeah we have you know all kinds of you know opportunities for people to jump in at any point but the fun part really the fun part of is is the are the week long retre and and you know imagine us doing the research you can imagine this we have like blood draws and brain mapping and HRV measuring ments and urine and saliva and microbiome I mean we’re crazy
(1:02:31) you know this just body fluids just flinging all over funny thing about it is that our community loves to do it I have so much faith in our community so a week-long event you’ll hear the scientist present they’re they’re full on they’re full on early in the morning till late at night but Community says it’s the best week of their life so it’s a good place to come meet really cool people really work on on yourself you know really invest in yourself that’s where my energy is but my energy is at primarily the weekl long events and the
(1:03:02) advanced follow-ups we’re doing an advanced follow up at least four of them a year those are for people that that have come to a week long but start if you can with a progressive Workshop that’s a good place to start but you know there’s plenty of stuff resources to to start at any place amazing thank you Joe thank you so much now you’re welcome great to see you [Music] I [Music] [Music]
