(00:02) we have been duped by feminism sexual Liberation and anti-depressants we have been told that we are powerful and free now as women but we feel tired wired and bitter we’re mostly eating right exercising and meditating wrangling to-do lists and arranging playdates and yet there’s a haunting hollowness beneath the huge complaint what if I told you that there is a huge Storehouse a reservoir of energy inside of you that has not been tapped that you could feel light and pulsing excited and alive in ways that a wellness lifestyle
(00:49) cannot deliver that you could trust yourself that the world could feel safe and that unexpected and expected Delights could start to illuminate your path no coach therapist doctor or Guru required just you learning to get real present and attentive with you I feel like I’m here to matchmake your inner parts for the greatest love affair ever written I want to help you learn first where you’re buying eggs from the hardware store which is the source of all pain I want to help you master entering through the upset which is the
(01:27) only spiritual practice You’ll Ever Need and to get real comfortable putting on your villain Crown which is in my opinion the key to True power and then you’ll attune to your inner yes so you can live the life defined by the specific pleasure of who you are I am so excited to announce my latest book called The reclaimed woman which is available for pre-order now so if you head to the link in show notes you can learn more about bonuses events and companion offerings and I cannot wait to see your gorgeous face on the
(02:07) [Music] path I’m Dr Kelly Brogan you may know me as a New York Times bestselling author of a book with an exploding pill on the cover Renegade psychiatrist pole dancer or honorary member of the disinformation dozen what can I say I’m a born provocator I’ve spent most of my recent life exposing deceptions connecting dots and discovering the secret places my inner victim is still waiting to be liberated and now I feel called to help you reclaim all of your parts your health your sexuality your power and
(02:44) your expression so that you can finally truly own yourself I want to ignite in you that inner knowing and the pulsing Vitality that lives beneath your disempowerment disconnection and resentment so that you can audaciously courageously and playfully alchemize your struggle into the specific pleasure of who you are this is Reclamation radio a soulfire production the conversation that follows is from my incredible collection faces of fierce femininity where I sat down with the 12 women who have inspired my embodiment Journey For Real raw and
(03:23) uncensored inspiration you can purchase the collection at Kelly Brogan md.com and at the link in show notes I remember the first time that I heard about kimon nami’s work I was sent an email by one of the most intellectual like rigorously intellectual brilliant PhD researchers that I have collaborated with over the years in writing up medical papers and she sent me an email about vaginal Kung Fu and something in my mind just like Snapped like a spring popped because I felt like so like titillated that this woman I had put into
(04:04) a box this is now I know her now she’s a dear friend but at the time I put her into this box and for her to send me you know this kind of like sexual material and to endorse it and tell me you got to check out this woman like she’s on our page I was like what do you mean she’s on our page look what she’s talking about now fast forward but that must have been in 2015 fast forward all these years and I consider Kim a friend and an ally and and we have coasted through many many many asop over these past
(04:35) couple of years and just keep finding each other in the same playing field and she has impacted my you know as somebody who you know I thought I knew about feminine Anatomy you know as somebody who thought I had a good grasp as somebody specialized in reproductive Psychiatry whatever your work unlocked for me in terms of self-mastery and this this multi dimensional Reclamation of my Sexual Energy as not just something that I give to a man in the bedroom continues to unfold so I am super super excited to be in conversation with you today Kim
(05:13) and to really continue to Champion your work to anyone who somehow hasn’t heard of it yet so welcome it’s a great introduction thank you and I love that we’ve had this sort of parallel path where I remember doing this video to promote your second book and I was like Kelly Rogan is like the me in Psychiatry like this holistic voice and a [ __ ] disturber and someone who’s not afraid to call things out and this force to be reckoned with so I love I love it we have that provocator in common yeah you
(05:49) know but when I think of you I I really see and feel and witness like and it Delight in your audacity you know and that is like the word I think when I think of you is is it’s one of my favorite words so it’s a huge compliment the energy that you put out into the world is an audacious energy and I know that you have helped to to melt a lot of Frozen parts of women’s self-concepts and I wonder if you’re open to sharing like were you always this way like was there a time in your life when you felt really locked up and
(06:25) Frozen and that melted somehow or did you sort of just like come into your gorgeous body knowing that it was your your greatest asset weapon Ally gift and really you found a way to to share that you know with others right well look I mean when I think back on my childhood and stuff like I have a sense of like remembering me you know having this urge to stand up for people right like if I saw someone being bullied or something like I got go in there and stand up to you know for what was happening and at the same time I always
(07:00) you had a really intuitive sense of my Sexual Energy like this energy force within me and then the older I got to put words around it like this portal to other dimensions right so not really the messaging that we given but this other sense like there was something magical and spiritual about our sexuality and so you know I had so early on in my sexual exploration I had some really powerful experiences that affirmed this intuitive sense I had around sex and then I would say it was in my late 20s that there was
(07:34) a particular relationship where we just went so deep in what I call demon hunting which is around like really looking for your sexual blocks and your Shadow and the parts of you that might be inhibiting the full self-actualized expression so we did this in the arena of sexual play and that was a real turning point of like catapulting me in to another dimension of you know I often say that one of the Hallmarks of really becoming a well fued woman and we can talk later about what that actually means is that you start not to give a
(08:11) [ __ ] about what other people think right you start to act and make decisions and say things and dress and whatever you don’t care it’s not that you’re trying not to care you just don’t care right and you almost you begin to enjoy you know if people have reactions either they just ping off of you right like you’ve got this impenetrable force field around you that is the energy of that well [ __ ] self-possessed energy or you know you kind of enjoy it right you’re like well give it your best shot like I
(08:42) can take it I can take you I can take all of you like and not that you know I don’t want to be in this adversarial place but if there’s something that needs to be said I’m quite happy to say it and I will enjoy saying it and then people if people get riled up around it I don’t care then don’t listen right like it’s really my attitude right like you don’t have to be here and you can leave the room or leave the page or whatever and so I’m H you know and I’m really passionate more and more about
(09:09) you know a lot of that like similar to you the injustices and the misinformation like in the sexual realm that you want to bring attention to but I also don’t dwell there like I want to show people the solution right I want to call out some of the problems but you know most of my work is devoted to the solutions so I mean really to answer that question a lot of that came out of that real like you know coming into myself even deeper sexually that became a self-realization that permeated every part of my life right that made
(09:42) everything come more into alignment and then that it’s funny you say audacious because years ago I remember reading when interview magazine which I think is defunct now and then it grew to be more like mainstream over the years but it used to be this like kind of alternative thinking Bible back in the day like I don’t know 30 years ago and there was this interview with Keanu Reeves and he talked about this word bodacious he’s like it’s bold and audacious combined and I was like and I used that as my
(10:11) company name for a while it was Bodacious you know because I was like yeah that’s the that’s the ma the anchor and the Mantra is this notion of being bold and you know standing for what you believe in and enjoying it enjoying that process of speaking the truth and what’s also kind of thrilling though about your body of work is that it’s grounded in many ways I think you would agree in in dosm right that you have also this you know sort of deep anchoring in a spiritual lineage that informs your
(10:45) understanding as sexuality as a spiritual practice right and how did that sort of come into your purview well it definitely is a big aspect of my work and I think like I said like up until my early 20s I was just I’d already had cervical orgasms like I’d had these Transcendent reality bending experiences I felt from my own you know Explorations that Sox really was this tool and mechanism for self-growth and an actual Enlightenment a pivot to Enlightenment and then when I found Tantra and Daoism I was like oh okay so here is a
(11:21) framework here’s a language here are ancient cultures who’ve actually talked about these things so it was a huge validation for me of what I was already experiencing and so I resonated more with the DST expression of that because they had an almost more logical or not quite I wouldn’t call it scientific but some of the Tantra languaging is more fluffy and Airy and you know and I the da stuff to me was more grounded and like cut to the chase of things and I was like okay I love this and then lots
(11:53) of practices that they have like even the J day you know which I’m well known for like my knowing about the J came from the dawish practice of that this ancient 5,000 year old practice so yeah I mean I and I just love that there’s already which is a really good affirmation for us as humans like thousands of years ago people were looking at sex as a spiritual path they were looking at our sexual expression as this vital Pathway to our deepest most selves rather than some kind of moral taboo you know all of this messiness
(12:29) that we currently see right now that’s deliberate right if I had to call that out that I would say sex really is the biggest sop right the fact that we have all of this energy and power literally at our fingertips and yet for some people it could seem like it’s thousands and thousands of miles away because of all the trauma and conditioning and lies that they’ve been told they can’t even access the power that’s in their own body and that is really the cou d’etat of all scops when you think about it
(12:57) right like that people are that cut off their own power that’s right there because of all the lies they’ve been told absolutely and that was the inspiration for this you know entire Collective is this Zeitgeist moment we seem to be in or at least I’m perceiving that women are more and more women than ever before somehow as a result of whatever has been thrown at us these past couple of years are Awakening to this sort of like this inside job that involves their pleasure involves their sensuality involves their sexuality we
(13:31) didn’t learn it from our moms and you know who can we turn to to guide us home to this native power we perceive is present and we also know is is that disconnection is the explanation for so much of this I call it like living behind a glass wall experience of like even when you get the things it doesn’t feel good somehow you’re still not okay and that reconnection to you know vital force energy to sexuality and a lot of what you teach is you know is visualization based is energetic in addition to techniques you know it’s
(14:07) this marriage of the body form and the spirit you know so you use the phrase well [ __ ] woman and you just use the phrase well [ __ ] in general and you don’t imply that it really has even a ton to do it can have something to do but ton to do with like how often a [ __ ] is in your [ __ ] right so it’s a concept that you’ve put on the map as far as I can tell and I love for you to elaborate right because if a woman is listening or somebody’s listening to this and they’re trying to assess like how connected are
(14:41) they you know to their own sexuality maybe they’re having sex is that what it’s about maybe they’re masturbating regularly is that what it’s about like my sense is you would say look around you know the terrain of their life and then look within to how it is that they’re experiencing contentedness empowerment right so so what do you mean by that phrase yeah yeah so I coined that term years ago and it came out of this a few things right like noticing how I would feel coming out of a really
(15:09) transformative sex session how I would feel how I would look how I would move out in the world in this much more connected like really feeling that like we are all one like this like a spiritual Transcendence as though I take an ecstasy or something like I was and I was getting that from my vagina right so and then I began to look around at other people and there was a particular story I used to have a studio and where I did my work and there was a gym that I’d go to a few times a week and there was this
(15:38) German fellow middle-aged guy who would be in there a lot as well right so we would talk and I’d come into the gym and after we got to know each other you know a while I guess he was comfortable making these observations but he’d say to me oh Keem it’s been a while for you hey and I’m like he how does he know this you know and then or i’ come bouncing in he’s like oh you getting some hey and I’m like and he was always right you know that he could read the energy of my body of my Carriage of my
(16:08) attitude whatever I was putting out into the world and it was true so we used to then became like a thing at the gym we’d be like oh she’s she’s on the treadmill she’s like slogging like no she’s not she’s not like and then in my work you began to observe that as well right like this energy of I mean that’s even historically the term Hyster area has come out of it really is like the ancient word for under right like a woman Hiser is like the Latin root for womb hysteria was defined as like an
(16:40) uneasy womb or in the time of Galen and hypocrates a womb that was wandering around the body lost basically because it wasn’t getting enough sex or good sex so this concept’s been around for a long time and then the remedy is to have sex but I would say yes it’s a kind of sex so if we look at Sexual Energy as life force energy this is the energy that gives new life then if we’re not making babies with that energy we can be taking that energy and channeling it into all parts of our existence as a creative
(17:12) power source and so you can be having lots of sex and I could and I would say being under [ __ ] if you’re not having sex that changes your life and this is the big barometric question that I ask people is does sex leave you feeling energized rejuvenated pleasured e static and like it changed your life and if not you’re doing it wrong and that’s just to say that there’s a way of having sex that gives you energy or takes away energy and so a couple could be in a third-year relationship they have a lot
(17:42) of perfunctory Duty check the box kind of you know five minute bust out an orgasm sex and I’d say they could be profoundly under [ __ ] whereas someone who’s even single could be self-pleasuring regularly doing a lot of breathing and recirculating and iously learning how to harvest that energy and then wear it and channel it out into the world and be extremely well [ __ ] right so it’s really about learning how to consciously tap into that energy Own It wear it and then use it as a tangible source to create our world with so
(18:18) that’s really the core of what I teach is how to do that and then the obstacles around that that owning your Sexual Energy like what’s impairing that what life blockages what traumas beliefs does someone have that prevent them from just owning that energy right and then how do we dive into the body so that the body the vagina our desire become the compass right we begin to recreate that connection with the body because in the alpath vernacular it’s about Band-Aids and smothering the messages of the body
(18:52) as you well know and speak of and ignoring them right and an example of that would say be for women them being told oh you have a low libido you are not lubricating very well here just take this bottle of lube and slather it on every time you have sex and I would say well that’s a Band-Aid and Lube is actually not a woman’s best friend it’s potentially her worst enemy because it’s encouraging her to override the voice and the wisdom of her vagina if it’s not wet she’s actually not turned on why
(19:23) don’t we wow why don’t we look at that you know and so instead trying to cultivate that relation ship and listen to those messages and then that so Begins the Journey of becoming well foxed right of tuning into owning that energy and then channeling it out into the world and it becomes so tangible that people pick up on it like I said at the beginning of this little story you know where people can feel that and I get stories from women all the time where they start a conscious self-pleasuring practice and then they
(19:54) go out to the gym the next day or out into the world and men are asking them for their phone numbers men are like running across the street to ask them out on dates and they’re not even like Dressed to Kill they’re in their sweats to go buy milk you know at the shop and like some guy won’t leave them alone in the parking lot right and because they’re just radiating this beauty and attractiveness you know that’s their sexual energy that they’re wearing and so it can be a very quick process to get
(20:24) in touch with that maybe a longer process to move through a lot of those block AG es into a fully don’t give a [ __ ] place but the results can be very quick once people start and once they prioritize it right because I think that’s yeah right like where the Journey Begins is making this important and maybe the most important you know dimension of your lifescape so I I remember the first time I heard you talking about the connection between you had like some hilarious video about like your coochie ch- chinging or something I
(20:56) don’t know relation a ship between prosperity and this like well [ __ ] state right because I don’t know how many people would intuitively make that connection right like that that your earning power if you will or your attractive power as an earner as a creative as a businesswoman whatever you might say is somehow linked to this right that if you want to tap into or break through the glass ceiling of your Prosperity that you you might consider focusing on you know the degree to which you’re well
(21:31) [ __ ] right and that connection I think is essential because otherwise you’re on this right like masculine path of like I do this to get this and then that happens and that right and that’s not how how you do it I don’t think right no yeah well look I have a a left brain part of me that’s effective but I mean I’d say that the real secret to that success yeah is being well [ __ ] and this idea of Sexual Energy being creative energy and even the word liido you may not put much stock in young and
(22:01) Freud but I love their definition of Freud I of like libido is our life force the way that we individuate in the world right so it’s not just about our appetite for sex but it was like this deeper kind of personality individuation and that resonated with me because the more that I would see in myself and in my clients people become more well [ __ ] more inhabiting that Sexual Energy they began to make more life choices that were in alignment with the truth of who they really were so let’s say somebody’s working in a 9-to-5 kind
(22:34) of job it’s more just to pay the bills it’s not really their Dharma it’s not really the deepest expression of their authentic selves when they become more well [ __ ] they’ll often just quit those jobs like organically they’re not like oh like really working up to this difficult decision that they’ve thought about like one day they’re just like I’m done right and they move away from it like easily effortlessly and then something comes to them and the way people will often say is like this thing
(23:02) just fell in my lap and I’ll say it’s cuz your lap attracted it you know like by being in touch with that energy you brought that on even in the chakra system they talk about sex and money and creativity are all second chakra issues so the way that I see that is the more that people inhabit that energy they become more of their true selves they make choices that are in alignment with their truth they begin to express more and more of their true gifts in the world right the things the unique talents that we all bring into this life
(23:33) that’s really our Dharma our destiny you know to fulfill and that when the universe sees that it rewards that right like in my experience and belief like the the universe rewards courage and truth and boldness and audacity and when you actually speak into those places and begin to inhabit those places and you take chances and you move in that you know it’s like that Joseph Campbell quote about follow in your bliss you know these doors open where before there were walls and that’s really the essence
(24:04) of that and so people start bringing in like I just did this interview with this couple and I did a video called magical [ __ ] so they’ve done all of my salons they’re really devoted and they decided to do like an extended oral sex commitment over a week they were like let’s just oh because okay she’d actually had a thyroid like something growing on her thyroid and she taken my well [ __ ] woman course and in there we talk about deep throating and the symbolism of the throat so she’s like
(24:34) I’m going to deepthoat my way out of this and she did like she was committed to deep throating for weeks and weeks and weeks and then she went and had this thing checked and it was gone right and simultaneously like she grew into her voice she was speaking more truthfully and more openly so they decided to do this oral sex Marathon so they were doing 90 minute sessions on each other and after the first session she did on him they were like a 90-minute session they were going away for a sex weekend and in the car you know he gets a call
(25:08) from this important business contact and he’s like I’m so sorry you know can I take you mind if I take this I’ve been waiting for this call because they’re you know kind of shut the phones off almost and ready to go away for their insulated sex weekend she like oh yeah of course so he takes the call and he gets an offer for the biggest deal they’ve ever had in their business like mammoth game changing everything and they’re like did that just happen because of that endless blow job that we
(25:35) just had you know so there’s people who you know relate these experiences to me so much over the years that they can actually pinpoint opportunities coming to them the day after or hours after some epic transformational sex experience that they had so that’s on the micro but I think on the macro the whole world just opens up as well and that fully includes like the abundance of cash and opportunities and aligned and helpful people like all of the all of those things just start to generate themselves and so often yeah like I tell
(26:11) people like this yeah the secret is not to like the super slogging like you know more left brained masculine way of achieving things it’s actually learning to navigate and trust that feminine of amplifying that energy in ourselves and then we attract those things we magnetize those things to us and I’ve seen it so many times now that I can speak about that with total confidence as a fact you know I love it and I’m just even thinking about how like neurobiologically this like Sunbeam is really penetra I don’t know where to
(26:47) move how neurobiologically you know it really interrupts the fight ORF flight patterning for you to prioritize pleasure and sexuality at a time where you might be otherwise like drawn to scarcity or or really vigilance you know and sort of like I don’t have enough money how do I do the thing and if you turn towards like let’s say a self-pleasure practice or a an extended you know oral sex practice with your partner at a time when you are trying to make ends meet let’s say I mean it wouldn’t never be doing that if you were
(27:22) being right like chased by the tiger or whatever and to reorient in that way it must just confer some like regenerative patterning neurobiologically like it’s like a it’s like a way to turn the whole situation on his head yeah I love it it seems like a secret sauce you know yeah yeah amazing love it so speaking of Partners I know that you’ve spoken about you had an incredible interview early in the plandemic talking about beta males right and talking about this sort of I don’t know can we call it an epidemic of
(27:58) men who have I mean we could get into all sorts of theories about how they got that way maybe they were castrated by their moms who were afraid of men and they were raised without father figures and and here we are you know as women in you know Collective crisis looking to really like a bit of an empty stage where the alpha men should be standing up right and there are so many women I imagine that you encounter and work with who are really longing for that kind of energy and of course there is a lot that we can do as women to get into a
(28:34) vibrational match right to that kind of energy what do you think is going on right like what do you think is going on with true polarity between men and women what do you think is happening sort of on the world stage maybe engineered or not and then what can we do right to to ready ourselves for that kind of partnership that feels more complimentary energetically where we can really exhale in this way that I think we long to as feminine beings yeah look I mean I think if we look over the landscape of the past couple of years
(29:08) and thinking or longer now that what’s really needed is alpha males right like the alpha males are the Protectors of the realm The Defenders like they don’t let Intruders or you evil whatever you want to call it come through the gates and I do believe there’s been a deliberate engineering of the removal of that energy and those ideas out of the culture so that it becomes easier to implement agendas or whatever you know that there’s no one there to really protect the flock and so now like the
(29:41) interview you were referring to was big dick energy bde and it was somebody who at the beginning of the whole lockdowns defied them right and said you know we don’t believe in this and come come at us you know and they’re these giant sort of stereotypical like but beyond right like big muscular strong powerful guys with this really beautiful archetypal masculine energy and what I found actually in the in the real true alpha males is that they aren’t that sort of cliche of toxic masculinity they’re
(30:13) actually deep thoughtful sensitive beautiful men who also are strong and powerful and could physically take just about anybody right like it’s this that’s the actual alpha male but we’ve been poisoned to think that this idea of toxic masculinity of an abuse a man who’s abusing his power is somehow the alpha male right there’s been a mismatch there or like a deliberate obscuring of the truth of that and so I think that you know I talk about that a lot in my work is really celebrating the alpha
(30:45) male and celebrating the archetyp of masculine and encouraging men that if they’ve gone to a four-year liberal arts college right and been taught that they needed to be a beta male they needed to respect that respecting women meant a certain kind of almost a weakness or difference or this beta male energy and the reality is that no woman wants to [ __ ] a vamale no one does unless they’ve been indoctrinated into this kind of gender neutrality [ __ ] you know where they mentally tell themselves that that’s what they want but I don’t think
(31:19) their [ __ ] are telling the same story right like you and I were joking about like certain alpha males and there must be all these like gushing [ __ ] like surrounding like just the women in their sphere must just be like Oh Be Still My beating heart you know and um yeah like so I really encourage that both and like validate it in women right and try and name it because I think that the hugest thing in this polarity conversation it’s at play in every single Rel relationship but most of the time if people haven’t
(31:51) come across the term and studies of polarity they don’t know how to name it right they know that the woman kind of like you were describing like the woman’s like taken the role of like being overc controlling she doesn’t really trust the man and his Direction so she becomes over masculine she’s wearing the pants in the family he’s become frightened of her he’s afraid of stepping out of line he’s sort of cowering in the corner and he stopped taking initiative he stopped making important decisions and taking direction
(32:21) or making Direction because he’s going to get his head bitten off and so they both retreated into these opposite type corners and they’re both [ __ ] angry about it they’re both resenting each other for it none of them are neither of them are happy they just don’t know how they got there and they don’t know how to get out so that is the first step is like explaining that notion of polarity of like the archetypal feminine and the archetypal masculine and how that actually creates the most polarity and
(32:49) attraction and Sparks and you know I’ve so a lot of my it starts with the naming of that and then validating and giving permission right like often give the example of a woman you know this whole like consent is important well of course consent is important but if you were to like approach a woman to have sex especially let’s say a woman that you’re involved with will just get the other sort of gray area out of the way and be like if you’re not busy later like if if you’re not doing the laundry or cleaning
(33:17) the house or changing the kitty lat would you be interested in maybe having sex with me and I can record you know I can give you a piece of paper you can sign so we know that you got you’ve consented to this right like woman’s going to be like get the [ __ ] out of here or just be like no I’ve got more kitty litter to clean thanks very much you know versus a man who takes a woman and slams her up against the wall pins her arms up against her head you know uses a knee to spread open her legs and growls into her neck I’m gonna [ __ ] this
(33:49) [ __ ] out of you and picks her up throws her over his shoulder carries her into the bedroom and throws her down she’s going to be like I will cancel all those crazy important meetings I had all day you know take me on yours it’s that energy that women are craving and they aren’t getting so I think for women it’s also then cultivating their feminine right like the more that they can cultivate and like let go of some of those over masculinizing traits that they’ve taken on as a compensation that
(34:19) they will begin to evoke and bring that more into their sphere if it’s a couple then the couple needs to be talking about this right to identify it and then these are things I deal with in my salon is like how to get them back to that place of more exaggerated polarity but in her daily life I think it’s finding ways to inhabit and accept and trust that being in more of her feminine energy is going to get her what she wants in her life is going to magnetize opportunities and people into her space that we’ve all been taught I was taught
(34:53) you were taught like to get anything done in the world to achieve anything in the world we have to be like men and you know maybe Generations now are coming into this in a different way but certainly like where I was growing up it was like that was the notion like you have to feminine qualities are going to be are going to mess you up right like you got to adapt into this masculine world and fortunately early in my 20s I started to like step out of that when I was on a path of growth and wellness of like maybe that’s not actually me maybe
(35:23) I’m a lot more feminine than I think I am and my definition what feminine is and the power that it has has just been eroded right like I’ve been in a way again sort of lied to you and so when women actually step into that power they become Uber powerful it’s just it’s it’s a pivot that we’re not really taught and you have to search for places and people to help you understand what that even is and then to embody more of that and trust that your life won’t stop you won’t you know like your progress in the
(35:58) world you will grow and move and evolve and and create things but you’re doing it from a different place from more of this feminine look I mean women truly are the ultimate creators on the planet we create new life our vehicle our bodies are the portals for New Life in the world so if anyone knows how to create it’s us but with all of these plans to separate women from the power of their sexual Creative Energy of their reproductive organs of literally cutting them off from that power cutting off those organs women are often quite lost
(36:33) in how to come anywhere close to that absolutely I I mean I think part of the the pivot like the the sort of elephant in the room is that as you’re saying we have a deeply wired at least those who have this like you know as David data calls it like a feminine Essence right like we are deeply wired to consens ual you know handling by a dominant masculine being and yet we’ve been like railing against the unconsented version of that domination not only women but humans for the greater part of human history right
(37:14) so like how could we want secretly the thing that is supposed to be the source of our oppression right to be like handled in this way to be overpowered in this way to submit in this way way and I I think that’s part of like just the cognitive dissonance of Awakening from you know the place that we’ve come to at the end of the road of whatever these waves of feminism have been about that left us really dried up and unsatisfied and unfulfilled and longing for something that we can’t get coherent around so we’re constantly in this like
(37:48) entitled [ __ ] like man-hating experience and I know that for me part of the practice of ending the war with men which you know consciously unconsciously I’ve been waging most of my life it has been to like find that little place as you’re saying like within every man can I live in a world where Every Man Has a little place I can trust every single one right like every pedophile every rapist every you know sociopath there’s a little place right which of course just means everyone is fundamentally divine all the humans
(38:19) anyway and meaning like not the not necessarily the cyborgs and everything else who are the reptiles but that we can find that little place and that I think the struggle to do that in some cases has revealed to me whatever it is that I’m getting out of diminishing men right cutting them down wanting to be in a position of control so that I feel safe micromanaging as we were talking about so it’s a tall order and probably a lot of trauma healing and looking at you know mother woundology and all these things that not all of us
(38:51) are are interested in in exploring I was thinking about you though recently because I spent spent a couple of days on sort of like a BDSM oriented dating app right I really don’t get dating apps like I’m trying to get like understand how that could possibly work that you would like interact with somebody you don’t feel their energy and whatever anyway so I spent a couple days on it and they’re all these like self-identified Doms right and there is like a huge culture of promoting their like vaccination status even like some of
(39:28) these people whose profiles are like you know self-identified dominants right and they they’re like wearing their mask and I really was like wow you know like the twisting up and the capture of the valorizing of caretaking I guess the population the women the vulnerable like through their vaccination status and participation I mean it was it was really astounding to see it wasn’t just like a guy like it was a thing it was a thing in there and that’s also what we are ungraded is right like what is it to
(40:02) be a protector in a Nar a dominant narrative that says we’re all being endangered by our own bodies and by these invisible mysterious particles you can imagine that a man who’s not educated himself might see okay well I’ll take the you know roll up my sleeve and protect my woman in this way and it’s just like wow we have a lot of work to do we have a lot of work to do that’s yeah that’s crazy that’s a very interesting inversion right like wearing a slave mask and getting penetrated by
(40:34) some random Rando essentially which is what these shots are right like multiple times so that’s bizarre I mean to hear that is just kind of shocking but then I just kind of consider like is that true Dom are those really not for me would not work for me yeah it’s so yeah there’s just so many layers you know and maybe it’s just exposing right these like subtle layers of inauthentic claim of that masculine energy so so so interesting so I want to talk to you about sort of again because I asked you
(41:11) where in your process you began to wake up and it was in your 20s like for most of us that’s decades earlier than we have any exposure to the Des secreting Des shaming let alone the Embrace and celebration of Sexual Energy integration of it and so obviously you know as a mother of two girls I’ve been thinking about this for their entire lives right like how can I Empower them in their bodies of course I initially was thinking about it sort of defensively like like how do I make sure that they know how you know how sacred their
(41:45) bodies are and they protect themselves whatever and now I feel it’s it’s really early opportunities for interacting with the energetics of sexuality and early opportunity for self-mastery when it comes to awareness around anatomy and their cycles and so I decided you know I have a 13-year-old and I decided that we are going to do we are doing vaginal Kung Fu together right so I’m sitting down with her and we’re going she’s you know she kind of came out the womb like you know an actualized woman I mean
(42:18) she’s just such a such a sage and she’s yeah incredible she’s a woman really in so many ways maybe For Better or For Worse maybe she was a parentified child because of my insufficient mothering I don’t know but nonetheless she’s super excited about it and we you know we sit down and we go through the videos and modules together and she just really digs you and your energy and she can receive it and for me that’s incredible because at her age you know I don’t even know that I would be able to receive it
(42:46) or understand it or grock it right but I do think that generationally there’s as long as we don’t [ __ ] them up you know like biologically that they have more and more access to things that might have taken somebody like me decades to like unpack all the brainwashing then insert the new information and for her it’s just kind of like okay this makes sense you know this is how I can learn about you know my cycle and what is conscious contraception what is my Sexual Energy how do I work with it you
(43:16) know how do I identify my relationship to my own vagina like what does that look like all day long and what is the anatomy and I wonder what you think because I I’m pretty sure you didn’t design that course for for twens and teens but I wonder what you think is the best way to approach bringing our daughters like into the fold and really how to talk about right because she’s cycling now how to even talk about literal intercourse conception without focusing on the dangers of pregnancy right like as if that’s all that sex is about right
(43:52) like I was not allowed to have sex that was literally the rule for that reason and that was all the education I ever got right it’s just like the fear mongering about it and and nothing about the sacred nature of it so you know I know that you haven’t had the experience of of daughters per se but I’m sure you have a perspective on what the best way is to invite them into this field yeah I mean I love I love that and I’ve had women do that over the years where they bring their daughter into vaginal Kung
(44:22) Fu and so I love that you’re doing that and I think that is the way like as parents that we we get in there first right like both with I think the conversations and the openness and the invitation that that’s always a subject that’s available for discussion and also through our own work right like when we’re doing our own Shadow Demon hunting and we are exercising like our own like preconceived ideas and programming around sex those reverberations filter down into our children by osmosis right
(44:57) right and so they’re picking up on and receiving the benefit energetically through this miasmic transfer of all the work that we do especially in the sexual realm but then you know the openness and the conversations that we have and we model that to them right like even if we were in a relationship or dating or as a couple right like showing affection showing sexual affection right this couple that I mentioned with the million-dollar [ __ ] like their kids they’ve got six kids I believe and like their kids all know right like the the
(45:30) husband came back from a work trip and one of the younger daughters is like I think are you and daddy going to go have whatever they call it smoo time or something like right like because you haven’t seen each other for a little while like they all respect it as the glue of the family and the relationship right so we have the opportunity to write that story for our children the way that we see it and I we go whole Hawk right like we just we’re open the way way that we view it and we want them to view it we have those conversations
(46:01) as early as we can we even have sex education books that we we indoors like around the house on the bookshelves right like that we just don’t hide it we don’t hide it and so that whole process of biosis it comes through and I think the best thing that we can do you know that that fear that is a valid fear of like teenagers being so susceptible to all of this stuff that’s in the world especially around sexuality and getting their sex education like you said either in a school where the most common
(46:34) directive would be you know yeah sex can kill you and get you pregnant so go you’re done that’s your sex set right and that lens of fear and almost deliberate hiding of the truth of it but if we’re giving them the so that all that openness and education and then also the overall confidence building and S y so that they have the wherewithal to make those decisions in the moment right like I had a couple came to one of my Retreats and guy was like fiercely protected he’s like my daughter’s like
(47:08) 19 and she’s got this boyfriend and she’s like scared she’s gonna have maybe she was younger she might have been like 16 or 17 actually I’m scared she’s going to have sex and I said well look if you’ve raised her in a way that she is Uber confident in who she is as a sovereign being you will then be able to trust that she will be able to make that decision maybe she’s that’s the love of her life and losing her virginity at age 16 is totally appropriate right like and maybe it means waiting till she’s 25
(47:37) there isn’t like a you know an arbitrary age or time in relationship it’s like that we instill that level of full Compass navigation in our children that they will make that right decision in the moment you know like that’s the best empowerment we can give rather than some kind of arbitrary Direction around it right and we love that you’re and we have to get in there first because if we don’t get in there the culture at large is going to get in there like if you can get in there with that sacred
(48:05) information about periods and mtion that’s going to be the foundation rather than periods are dirty and shameful and E gross and you’re like a pariah of society for that time of your month right and your life will stop like you know like if we get in there first we’re the foundational information about what the truth is and and then it’ll resonate with them right the truth resonates if they’re clear enough beings they’re going to hear that and be like well that is the truth of what menstruation is it
(48:35) does feel right before they get the other pelting on top of that you know from the outside world absolutely absolutely I mean I have a friend whose daughter just started bleeding and she was telling me how she was like crying and I was relaying that to you know to my my eldest where we had this like big you know first moon ceremony with a the whole circle of women and it was like a whole big to-do with flowers everywhere and gifts and she loved it she loved every second of it and so this like imprint of her you know her menarchy is
(49:11) celebratory she’s psyched about it you know it’s it’s such a different branding but I I’m really reflecting on you know what you’re talking about as far as modeling goes because I think that you know even as like a single woman now I had the realization the other day that I only ever go in my like I don’t self-pleasure on the weeks that I have my girl I have my girls half of their life right and on the weeks that I don’t if they’re not in school I just don’t right why I mean my like daughter often
(49:40) sleeps with me like it’s like I just don’t and not for any particular reason other than that I would have to close the door and give them some indication of like why I’m closing the door and normally I close the door when I need to scream into a pillow when I need like a minute when I’m moving emot when I need to like Shake something when I’m struggling basically right like they know that that’s just how we do in this family we all do it right however I sat down with them the other day and I was
(50:06) like listen I am going to now start closing the door at times when I just want to be with my body when I want to do a self-pleasure practice just so you know and they were like okay and so I could see like wow that was just my own it’s my own stuff and that’s beautiful modeling right there and that’s all it needs to be is like you know couples do the same thing like we’re going to go have connecting time Mommy and Daddy it’s our connecting time we need connecting time you know and like because I think I like my
(50:37) upbringing and what I would see around me was just like a full kind of like wall around that right like did sex ever happen with these people right you know like we should somehow hide it it should be totally hidden from children and the rest of the world or whatever like to know that it even happens and so and that’s in itself a tool of really [ __ ] people up right that’s gaslighting right there that’s a form of gaslighting is like acting like it never happens and what you know it’s like that is the glue of the
(51:09) relationship that is the parental container is the depth and power of their sexual connection is fueling the entire family unit right it’s giving energy and feeding and containing the entire family unit and if we’re a single parent it’s the same thing right like the state of our being is the container and if that is fueling us and energizing us it’s the same way of creating that container so I love that you said that and I love that reaction which also is a testament to the fact that they’re
(51:38) already fairly open right they’re already considering this a normal part of life right right absolutely well I mean it’s in much thanks you know to your modeling and to the space holding that you do for the Reclamation of this the nor you know rendering normative you know this every time I put on a skirt I think of you without your underwear you know it’s like yeah let’s [ __ ] do it it’s so much the energy you bring to it so I want to ask you Kim and closing question I’ve asked everyone and you
(52:09) have so many tools so I can only imagine what you’re going to choose but I’m asking for one tool that you’ve used personally that brings you out of here you know if you’re getting up here into your head and dissociating disconnecting from your body what is one thing that you do to bring yourself back in I mean it’s hard to it is hard to pick one but I guess it’s anything that involves immersing and losing myself in my body so that might be working out with weights that might be surfing that
(52:43) like surfing is actually one of my top ons and then some kind of sexual activity whether it’s self-pleasuring or using a jade egg or making love or actually [ __ ] sucking is probably my one of my favorite sex acts like like this [ __ ] so far in my throat it just obliterates my mind like it’s probably even a faster way of getting out of my mind like okay so [ __ ] and surfing can I pick two I just found the clip I need for this entire Series right there so good I love it and you know I will continue to endorse how many tools
(53:20) you make available in really a beautiful Arc like a journey you know through each of your programs and also through tons of your free videos I mean you have so much free content that is super practical like super pragmatic like put it to use you know to up your hand job game tonight you know kind of a thing let alone you know what is it to what is a cervical orgasm and what does it mean to recruit you know your your soul into the process of orgasmic release so I’m so grateful for your work grateful to call you a friend and to be on this this
(53:51) path with you thank you Kim thanks Kelly this has been awesome there
