(00:00) You’d be surprised how many people that are really unfamiliar with the subject know the talking points to repeat. They won’t even know the radius of the earth, but they will know what debunk flat earth. I’ve talked to many many PhDs off the record. None of them will agree to talk on the record. There’s just too much to lose for them.
(00:18) There’s a lot of folks who go in believing in the conventional programming and then find themselves unable to disprove the flat earth assumptions. They had to come up with a way to keep the earth moving through space. The first thing they had to do is get rid of the ether. We’re swimming in an ocean of potential. All the energy comes from there.
(00:42) So, why would you not be able to tap into it? Then they rolled out Einstein and he just warped the mind of people. Hi, and welcome back to Reclamation Radio. I am Dr. Kelly Brogan and today’s guest is Austin Witset. We will be discussing the nature of this realm, what it is, what it’s not, how he talks to people at a cocktail party about what it is that he does, which is provide an extraordinary library of evidence about the nature of this stationary plane that we are living on and has put extraordinary energy into debating and debunking, which is something that most of us, you know, and my colleagues like
(01:26) are not spending our time doing. So, are really grateful that somebody’s out there doing it for sport. And we also talk about the unseen realm and why that matters. The significance of what comes back into the picture when you no longer believe in the classical solar system and the spinning ball model of this so-called planet.
(01:58) So, a lot in here, but mostly just casual chat with a very cool guy who is an extraordinary ambassador of this information. Enjoy. Welcome, Austin, to the show. Hey, thanks for having me. So, I have teenage daughters, as many of the folks listening know, and as a career activist and know-it-all truther for, you know, many, many years, I have come to recognize like many of the shadows of this approach, especially as a mother, as a parent, and I’ve come to see the the sort of worldview that many of us in the truth game are putting on stage on offer, right? And I see it now through the lens
(02:44) uh through through their lens. So I I see it through the lens of like a cool teenager. And I have struggled to see the appeal in a lot of what we are pedalling as truthers. Right? So, um, there was that fateful day when one of my do daughters said to me a couple years ago, “Mama, you’re afraid of so many things, right?” And like here I am experiencing myself as this like Jonaf arc, you know, like ending cycles of abuse in my motherline and all the things. And she’s feeling the fear, right, of all all of the the,
(03:22) you know, the food and the contaminants and the the EMFs and, you know, the overlords and whatever. And that was an invitation for me to begin to recognize like the energetic signature like literally like what it energetically feels like to believe certain things and to need other people to like see certain things, right? So, so now when I come across somebody who is speaking truth to power, a lot of what I pay attention to is like the vibe, right? And like do I like would my kids find this compelling, right? or is this just sort of like you know um they’d rather stay in Normland because
(04:02) that’s where you know the fun is whatever and so when I um first came across your work like shortly thereafter I we met briefly at a flat earth conference right I know I know the true earth braziology is is preferred and I also prefer it and that’s basically what it was right and it was not exactly the sexiest event right so like the the luxury diva in me was like, “Oh my god, what is this?” Like, you know, hotel and setting and all the all the deficiencies I was like really focused on. And when we met, I was like, “Yes, this is a pattern disrupt. This guy is a pattern
(04:40) disrupt because you’re like this handsome tall guy in like your pink tracksuit that you are completely pulling off.” And I thought this is somebody that like my kids would look at and be like, “Oh, he’s a vod.” Like he’s has something to say. And this is not even like to tap into the absolute like wealth of the reservoir of brilliance that you bring to bear.
(05:06) There’s something in the like you’re being an ambassador for this so-called movement that I think is is really important and I’m sure that so many people will feel in your system like a level of regulation, a level of self-possession and that will sense that you have like your tentacles out in many different arenas to feel and attune to like what’s actually going on out there.
(05:31) And I think that’s part of why you do a lot of debates, right? Because most of us I we were just talking offline about this like I don’t bother with debates. Most people, you know, they do one and then like I’m never doing that again. But my sense is like it helps you to feel like into what’s going on out there, right? Like you get to like have your little like sensors activated and it may be a part of of the magic of why you, as they would say, like leave no crumbs.
(06:00) like you go, you know, into the arena and, you know, all of us are just like, yeah, it reminds me of like in high school when you like push push the person into the dance circle, you know, you’re like like everyone on all of our colleagues are always like pushing you into the dance circle because we know that you’re going to eat it up.
(06:18) So I am really delighted to be in conversation with you Austin and very excited and proud to have you representing so much of the myth busting and the the intellectual rigor that is ultimately uh the foundation of this kind of of inquiry. And I want to start out with that weird intro. I want to start out with just a bit of color like to your story of uh coming on to true earth flat earth globe busting and how this this became like your your issue right cuz there’s many right because there’s so many related arenas of myth myth busting obviously I came through the medical arena and others in our
(07:02) collegial realm like you know came through other portals and you’ve arrived at this one and you’re you’re still chipping away at it. So, what is it about this topic of cosmology that matters to you? How did you get here and why are you still getting up every day contributing to the good fight, would you say? Well, F, thank you for that intro. Very kind words.
(07:28) So, so my flat earth story is pretty funny actually because uh I just heard a rapper say it, you know, like that’s actually just what happened. I just heard a rapper Bob O say it and he’s got bars and um I was telling everyone listen to so I’ve always been like the conspiracy guy I guess but I’ve always it’s funny you say that cuz I’ve always made a point of people make it so weird you know like they and it’s just like overloading and so I always kind of my objective was to flip the table where it’s like it’s actually weird that you’re making it weird you know like I
(08:03) didn’t put the poison in the dude or whatever. Like, it’s weird that you’re freaking out about it. So, I would tell them to listen to Bob cuz it’s like, how are you going to hate on it? It’s like 2 minutes. It’s like objectively a bumping song or whatever. And he’s actually a musician, you know? He plays all the instruments, bunch of different sounds. It’s like a vibe.
(08:22) So, I was telling everyone to listen to Bob. Then he said the earth was flat. I’m like, “Dude, why did you, you know, why did you do this to me?” So, I had to look into it basically. Yeah, pretty much. I’m like, you just discredited all this work. So, I looked into it and, you know, it’s a rabbit hole to say the least.
(08:42) So, that’s kind of what started me down it. I just saw no pictures of Earth or whatever. So, really at first I kind of became obsessed with it. I had a, you know, one of my exes, uh, I was staying with one of my exes at the time and so she was more like, “Come back and tell me what it is, you know?” So, I was just just obsessing with it. And I figured it out pretty quickly.
(09:04) like we were lied to about the earth and then I just moved on and I would talk to people in my personal life. Years later I found out really how important it was. I think when I discovered stuff like the ether and magnetism and electricity and energy and and like how metaphysical this place really is like how intertwined it is with metaphysics and the implications of this giant cosmos like centered around us and stuff like that.
(09:29) So when I realized that would glitch the whole matrix meaning if and this is answer to the other question as well as to why I still focus on it even though it’s at this point it’s become like painely painfully reiterative often times because I think it is actually like the glitch where if if people see this you can’t just go right back into a slumber right I mean the medical industry is very similar once you once you open that book and you see that everything is poisonous and you that the way they they claim that they’re keeping you healthy is the opposite. It’s really hard to
(10:03) unsee it. And I think that this is maybe like the top of that. So, I just think it it frees people’s minds in such a way where people are materialistic and nihilistic and they don’t realize how beautiful this place is. That may sound kind of cliche, but that’s actually why I do it. I think it is like the glitch.
(10:21) So, that’s kind of a brief a brief summary. I wonder if you would agree though because I’ve noticed that I have medical colleagues, right? like health investigators and those who are into health freedom and bodily sovereignty and who have come to understand the bait and switch of pharma who are extremely activated by this topic right and especially my male colleagues for whatever reason I and and I have theories about that so the medical portal of entry doesn’t seem sufficient in terms of depth of inquiry to somehow by default include questioning you know the the little globe on the kindergarten
(11:00) teachers desk, right? Kind of propaganda. Then I have a lot of um colleagues and associates in the lawful reclamation world, right? And you know, looking into legacy birth certificate accounts and you know, status correction and and all that world, creditor commerce. And a lot of th those folks also don’t get this. And some of those folks don’t get the germ stuff. It like doesn’t translate.
(11:30) And when I meet somebody who’s investigated cosmology, which again, I’m not a physicist. I have, you know, a background in in scientific inquiry, so I I know how to think this way. However, this isn’t like my arena by any stretch. But when I meet somebody who has looked into this, they already by default get the rest. Right.
(11:50) So when you say that it’s like it’s like this fulcrum, you didn’t say that, but you know, when it when it when you look at it that way, like yes, this is this is the the belief pivot that allows you to see more clearly.
(12:10) And I like to use the phrase like with sober eyes, like you you just pull down the projections and you can sit in the um discomfort of like not necessarily having a replacement theory and not necessarily knowing what is, but yeah. Really looking at how we bought in to a whole tale that doesn’t seem to be the full full story. So like what do you think it is about this subject? like like why does it represent a worldview in the way that I’m suggesting whereas like the the truing in these other fields doesn’t necessarily confer that full transition like I can’t tell you how many even of my former patients in some cases of folks who’ve like awakened to the nature
(12:49) of the body’s wisdom and awakened to uh the limitations of the alopathic model and and yet they still seem stuck in this like victim you know triangle energy and they still seem stuck in like, you know, hoping for the, you know, to elect the next hero and still right with these like blinders uh to some extent and and there’s just something different about this.
(13:12) It’s the rabbit hole nobody ever comes out from and it it just sort of like right encompasses like all of these other arenas. Why do you why do you think that is? Yeah, that’s a good question because um I think it’s deeper than I know to be honest, but there are some obvious reasons I think.
(13:33) So like if if you figure out about medicine, even say germ theory, there’s no relationship to any of the other truths. Meaning like you can find out that what we’re doing to children when they’re born is like evil and you can just go right back into thinking like politics is real. There’s seemingly like no link. I know many people like that actually.
(13:52) But this is like actually what cosmology is is an entirety of your worldview question. Like that’s actually what it is. Like where you are and where you came from and where you’re going and what is the purpose and how did you get here and how does it work? That’s really what cosmology is.
(14:11) So if you’re if you break through the barrier of the assumptions of those questions, you kind of have to just reset. Now I do think that there’s maybe even something deeper to it, right? Because when you discover like ether, everything is vibration. Everything’s actually a modality of the ether. Everything’s literally interconnected. And so frequency, vibration, it’s all connected.
(14:31) And so there may be something deeper as to the actual resonance required to see this truth and kind of where you like like where you enter in this sea of vibration at that point. And that may sound woo to some people, but I think there may be a metaphysical component to it, but in a simple way, it is you have to actually go to the very foundation of the lens you’re going to view the world through, right? Like so, so that’s not like that with these other truth. These other truths are just individual things. If if
(14:59) you pull out your belief of uh modern medicine, you can easily still believe everything else, but because it doesn’t change the entire way you view the world. But this is literally the way that you view the world, you know.
(15:17) So, you have to go all the way back to the core of the way you’re even going to look at any of those other subjects and it’s going to get shifted and there’s something that happens to you when it shifts. You now know, you know, you have to question everything else and you see things from a different angle. So, I hope that makes sense. That’s what I think it is.
(15:33) You you won’t really find many quote unquote Flat Earthers that fall for much of any of the other deceptions. Yeah. It’s almost like there’s not a lot of uh conversation to be had like after you you know you recognize that you walked the same path and we’ve come many of us to this terrain you know through through very different paths and I know you know better than I do that there are folks who come to this truth you know through religious dogma um there are folks who come through you know uh a kind of like rebellion from the system and then there are folks who come through the science and then through personal experience hands. So, I wonder,
(16:05) you know, if you’re in a room, like, let’s say you’re at a party or something with somebody who seems pretty chill and they just genuinely ask you like how it is that you know that we live on a a stationary plane, right? Like have you distilled down cuz I sometimes think about these things like have you distilled down like the your favorite introductory proofs because I know you know your YouTube channel and your work.
(16:33) I mean you go into uh extraordinary scientific detail and have applied as I mentioned a lot of rigor to your explanations and your proofs and you don’t do much handwaving right if any at all and a lot of folks especially um in these sort of burgeoning fields there’s a lot of handwaving there’s a lot of assumptions and we just you know transfer the assumptions from there to there in an effort to like prove what is instead of focusing on just debunking like what it is that we’ve been told So, if you we were just to focus on like, hey, here’s how I know that we’re
(17:09) not on a spinning globe. Like, what are your your favorite arguments? Because I know that you have many many in your in your bag. That’s a good question cuz I think it’s changed over the years to be honest. In the setting of in a party, I will just go ahead and say this, maybe it’s beneficial to some people. I’ve learned the hard way even.
(17:27) I always flip it around. So you just flip it around, you know, like as as soon as someone starts like acting weird, just be like, “I don’t think this is for you, bro.” You know, or like, “Uh, this is, you know, make it weird.” And then they want to know and and normally if I’m going to introduce it to someone because normally what happens, people ask me what I do and if I’m going to tell them what I do, it’s like gh well I make I make content and I do a few other things like content about what if it’s not the vibe, you
(17:50) know? I’m like conspiracies and they’re like, “Oh, what conspiracies?” I’m like, “You’re going to think it’s crazy.” and like, “Oh, try me.” At that point, you’ve like challenged their open-mindedness. And once you do say it, they kind of have trapped themselves into being somewhat receptive, right? So, that’s like a huge glitch in terms of their reaction. But someone wanted the proof. I think you actually nailed it.
(18:13) You flip that around as well. So, so you just say like, “Well, I just looked into the idea that it’s a spinning globe.” Then I would start going into the things that show that’s not the case. I honestly always bring up that we can see super super far because it’s something that people can just go do.
(18:30) And if you actually do that in real life, it’s wild. It’s a wild experience to actually do that to know that the mountain should be completely blocked and you you know for a fact you’re looking at the actual mountain. You’re just looking at it over bodies of water. Uh like we did in Seattle. Seattle’s very beautiful.
(18:49) It’s that what they’ve done to that place, but you have the beach and you have the mountains across the water. And we would just everywhere we went, no exceptions, you’re seeing too far everywhere. I mean like the entire United States, anytime I found a body of water, we went I prefer the coasts, you know, so we we kept along the coast a lot and you could just see too far everywhere, which come to find out their the model now says like on average you see 15 to 20% too far. Like on average, that’s like the official globe claim now.
(19:14) So I think that’s a big part of it. But this is the main thing I try to do to people like in a real chill setting. certainly if I’ve already built some rapport with them is I just say I talk them through the idea of just thinking about what they experience because most people leap over that and they’re just told what the conclusion is.
(19:31) So they never even they didn’t actually make up their own mind at all. So I just tell them like well just have you ever realized with the sun I use the sun normally. So like we see the sun moving you know and then we see it setting and then we see it rising. Well, like the globe model claim is that it’s actually not moving. Just it’s sitting still.
(19:54) It just looks like it’s moving because during the sunset you’re falling backwards. You can’t tell. And um obviously the other option is that well you’re just standing still and the sun is moving. And then I use the sun and the moon. I say the sun and the moon appear to be the same size and they and they claim that it’s coincidentally 400 times bigger and 400 times further away.
(20:16) I think that’s the the best way is to show people that like let’s just like figure out if you even know what you believe because you’d be surprised how many people that are really unfamiliar with the subject have like know the the like talking points to repeat, you know, like like for some somehow they won’t even know the radius of the earth.
(20:34) They won’t know how they won’t know anything, but they will know what debunks flat earth, you know, and they’ll they’ll start talking about the boat disappears and stuff. And so obviously I can hang with any of them with that stuff, but that changes the whole vibe. It becomes this like intense thing where they’re challenging me and I’m like trying not to pull the sword out and it’s weird, you know? So I try to like just keep it chill and just say like, “Oh, well here’s kind of what we experience.
(21:00) ” And have you ever thought about it? If you can get someone to just go in their normal day-to-day life and think about it, it’s it’s crazy. Like no one thinks about it. you know, when you see the sun, you see the moon, like think about what it is or or what’s really going on. Are they moving? So, that’s I know it’s a long answer, but I also try to meet people where they are.
(21:15) I’ll tell you a story real fast. So, when I went to I went I was on Tim Cast recently. And so, when I was at the hotel, the girl at the front, she was same thing. Ask me what I do, etc., etc. And I’m like, uh, you know, just here for the show, whatever. And so, she’s pulling it out of me, but I very quickly I I’m like, ah, the conspiracy stuff.
(21:33) and she said, “Oh, you know, pry me.” And she starts telling me stuff she believes in. So, she’s like, “I don’t believe dinosaurs existed the way that they say they did. I don’t believe we went to the moon.” She just starts listing them off and I’m like, “Okay, well, I’ll just tell you, girl.” Yeah.
(21:50) I’m just going to tell you the situation then, you know? So, you I try to meet people where they are, but yeah, I guess that’s that’s a long way of answering it. Like specific proofs. My favorite ones are simple ones, you know, like bodies of water. You can just look. Bodies of water are flat. They reflect perfect mirror images which if it was curving it wouldn’t do that. It would be distorted.
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(23:50) I know that you know how to do it and I know that that is like a weapon in your arsenal, right? So so you could you could pull out the sword and remain composed and just deliver the evidence, right? So, what are because I know you’ve been like I said you’re like the one we push out into the dance circle. I know you’ve been in many many uh debate settings and I wonder what are like tell tell us a little bit about that, right? Like what are some of the topics that inevitably come up? What are the topics that you actually kind of enjoy debating on if there are any? And what are some of the most like
(24:28) impenetrable tropes that you encounter? Because right like in in the colloquial realm, yes, like there are parited phrases. There’s sort of like the oh we wouldn’t we fall off the edge kind of a thing circulating around there. They’re like little memes that have have spread.
(24:47) But then even in the academic, you know, arenas that you sort of dabble in and and find yourself in in seats with these opponents, right? they also have their tropes that they pull out probably semicconsciously. So yeah, I’d love to hear a little bit about you know sort of the behind the scenes of your experience with that. So I will say um I’ve talked to many many many PhDs off the record.
(25:13) The conversations are always way different off the record and then none of them will agree to talk on the record because there’s just too much to lose for them, you know. But that part of it I actually do enjoy if I’m able to talk to someone and I obviously don’t care about credentials at all. I dropped out of college.
(25:34) I don’t I’m like a big proponent of being an autodidactic and stuff like that. But you know it doesn’t it doesn’t hurt if if someone’s defending the model and they actually know what it is or whatever. So I do enjoy that part. I love talking about like interprometry, Mickelson Moley, the specific, you know, implications and now we know that what’s called gravity is an emerging property of the oscilly nature of the background and stuff like that because this is like your album by the way.
(25:58) Well, it’s just those are like the cutting edges of discovery right now. That’s so I do like that cuz because it’s like we haven’t figured that out as people yet and it would change the world and that part excites me. That’s why I got so obsessed with this conversation was like ether and magnetism and stuff. So I do like that. I actually don’t, this is going to be funny.
(26:15) I don’t particularly like the debates that I’m I participate in. I feel like I’m very handicapped and they’re very disingenuous and they’re bad faith and and even with the credentials, they say stuff like, “Oh, I just dis just prove the ether, you know, which is a script.” And it’s like, that’s just patently wrong and not true and how do you have a PhD? You know, it’s so my experience is that this conversation is always flooded in bad faith, which is very disheartening, but I think it’s a testament to to kind of how difficult it is to deal with intellectually. You really can’t rebut the arguments against
(26:47) the idea that we’re moving, for example, right? There is no academic answer given to people, so they just tap out. Um, so yeah, basically I’m hoping to see this change soon. I think it’s about to I think with some of the appearances that are about to happen, some, you know, the Antarctic trip that’s about to happen, I think that we’re going to shift over and in a way it’ll get kind of diluted and it’ll have like a negative part.
(27:15) It’ll be kind kind of lame, you know, but at the same time, I think that we’ll finally open up the conversation. Um, so I’m hoping to see that change. We’ll see. Because I’m not exaggerating when I say it doesn’t matter who it is. It doesn’t matter how much of an expert they are or anything.
(27:33) Every single person straw mans the position. Doesn’t it like misrepresents everything to do with the test and it’s wild. I guess that I will say it was the most eye opening part for me. I was I was thinking I was going to run into a PhD and they were just going to put get me in line real quick. Right. That that isn’t even close to what happens. It’s wild.
(27:53) It’s It’s like pretty crazy. So, the tropes go from bottom to top. They’re all misrepresentations and people just got to look into it. That’s all it is. Either you can get people to be like, you know what, fine, whatever. I’ll look into it. Or they’re just not going to and they’re going to go with the scripts, you know.
(28:12) And you would think there would be, you know, just sort of this this bias that somebody who already passionately believes in what we were taught in school who goes to look into it. But it’s a very common story that, you know, folks went to disprove so-called flat earth and they ended up flat earthers, right? Like this is extremely common.
(28:30) I mean, it’s not my story because I didn’t have an opinion and I thought, who cares? Why does this even matter? And you know, why is David Wolf embarrassing himself in an interview with me bringing up how far he can see in Hawaii? Like I just was in the camp that said like this is not relevant to life and I have more important things to think about.
(28:46) But there’s a lot of folks right who go in believing in the conventional programming and then somehow find themselves unable to you know uh disprove the cardinal flat earth assumptions. You’ve mentioned the ether a couple of times in in this conversation and I’m not really sure how penetrant that concept has been, you know, for for the average um person listening.
(29:16) And so I want to just sort of give a bit of context around the relevance of that and why you’ve brought that up a couple of times and what that signifies I guess in terms of the the nature of reality as something we’re we’re opening ourselves to perceiving differently. Yeah. So it’s basically the unseen realm in really simple terms. And if most people really think about it, they already know that exists.
(29:41) You know, uh we have intuition, we have memories. I’ve known I was going to receive a text like a minute before I received the text and I had not heard from the person in like 5 years. And stuff like that happens quite a bit. You know, I could feel that something’s going to happen. My mom called me when I was in college, knew I got in trouble, you know, at 2 in the morning.
(30:00) So most people, if they really think about it, they’re they know that there’s something that we don’t see that’s kind of inter interconnected and interacting with us. But anyway, that’s really what the ether is. It’s this it’s this background. It’s this unseen background.
(30:18) And based on the physical evidence, it it operates like a an ocean, like a body of water. And so light is basically the waves and water. And you know, this can obviously get very technical and I won’t do that, but like technically there’s no such thing as a wave. And if you look at the ocean, you see the wave. Well, it’s just the water in the ocean moving, right? And so what that implies is that everything is this comes from the unseen.
(30:43) So it has major implications. Obviously, it immediately it refutes this notion of materialism and that there’s nothing outside of the material world. And obviously modern academia has a huge bias against that uh to the extent that they will go as far as to say stuff like we know the earth’s five billion years old and all this cra you know crazy stuff to avoid anything spiritual or metaphysical.
(31:06) But the reason that this is so relevant is it actually got thrown out because of helioentrism and the in the test showed when they did interpherometry tests which are just lasers basically uh they can measure motion because they interfere in a certain way showed the earth wasn’t moving and then when we did a telescope test they put water in telescope it was supposed to deflect a certain amount based on the earth moving it didn’t do that and we have many more tests Mickelson Pearson Dayton Miller replace replicated it on and on and on. So they had to come up with a way to
(31:38) keep the earth moving through space. And so the first thing they had to do was get rid of the ether because if there was this this ocean, this unseen like aic realm that the earth was moving through, then you would be able to detect it. And so they had to get rid of that.
(31:57) And then, you know, they rolled out Einstein and he just like warped the mind of people and said that space and time bend and warp and everything’s an illusion and nothing’s true and everything’s relative and it’s it’s all this crazy basically evolved into moral relativism and crazy stuff. But so long story short, the ether was thrown out because of helioentrism.
(32:17) Throughout all of history, all of mankind, people have known that there was an ether. It was called the quintessential element. You know, it’s the element that everything else comes from. And every single ancient civilization knew. And if you are somewhat of a truther, quote unquote, you’ve probably discovered that the ancient civilizations were knew way more than we were told.
(32:35) They were way more advanced than than we were led to believe. And they had a way better understanding of cosmology than we do. So basically what happens if you don’t need to believe that the earth is flying through this giant universe and it’s this insignificant rock or whatever that’s called the capernacum principle.
(32:52) Then immediately the ether gets put back on the table because all the evidence ever says there is an ether. The only reason that anyone would ever remove the idea is because they have no choice if their other assumption doesn’t work with it. And this has major implications for everything. That means we’re swimming in an ocean of of potential. And so all the energy comes from there.
(33:08) And so why would you not be able to tap into it, right? And and people they don’t think of it like that because they don’t think there’s anything outside the material world. I think that the importance of ether can’t be understated. I also would say I’m not going to claim to know exactly how it works because I don’t.
(33:27) I think that that’s been the pursuit of man for for all time is try to figure out exactly how it works. I don’t know exactly how it works, but but we know there’s something there. It’s basically an ocean. And I could basically intuitively imply something to you and I don’t need to actually speak to you. And I’m sure you may have experiences like that.
(33:45) I I have communicated with people without verbally communicating with them multiple times. Now obviously there are some substances that people indulge in that also facilitate that experience. So yeah, I mean I think it’s like the biggest thing ever. It it it unlocks the key to everything. And the key to understanding how majestic this place is, how it’s intertwined with the metaphysical, how what intuition is, what, you know, what information is, what what emotion is.
(34:13) It’s pretty incredible that that they’ve removed it successfully. And I think that they will fight like hell to to keep people from discovering its true nature because it immediately frees people in many ways. So yeah, there are some flyer thirsts that aren’t always the happiest that I I always talk about it, but I couldn’t care less.
(34:36) It’s what made me It’s weird to me that they are like that, but it’s what made me It’s just sparked this like obsession with me because I realized like, okay, the governments, they know it exists. They aren’t letting us know. And so they are um treating us kind of like children, like we can’t be trusted with the true nature of this place.
(35:01) And so I know that that was a lot, but that it’s it’s very fascinating and it has profound implications to say the least. And I imagine like so many of us, this has also led you down the rabbit holes of uh an alternative view of history, right? And the people who might have been here building these beautiful structures that were intended to interact, right, with the ether in ways that are not even in the realm of conception today.
(35:27) Is that something that also interests you to sort of look at that? Yeah. Yeah. So, exactly how it works is I I I’m, you know, undecided. But yeah, the sacred geometry found in all the buildings alone show that they understand the importance of frequency and vibration. And like I said, they all just straight up say that there’s an ether. They all say that they manipulated the ether, that they utilized the ether. All the ancient teachings say that. And uh yeah. Yeah.
(35:53) I don’t know how far people have looked into that, but we’ve been completely lied to about history and not just the Greeks, right? We’ve been lied to about America. Um, and there they’re actually like side note, there are textbooks even if you get pre910 in the US, you’ll see even textbooks were saying that there was an advanced ancient civilization here prior to the Native Americans. So, actually, it’s a very recent deception.
(36:16) And then they they founded these buildings and 14-year-olds built them in one year in the winter without roads or whatever. So, and they all just happen to be buddies with horse and buggy. Yeah. With the Rockefellers. So, amazing. Amazing. So, what is I know that and and I’ll be sure to point people in the direction of your library of information on the subject. Uh and I know that you are still down to do these debates.
(36:48) Um you have some coming up and I know that you have this like inner rolodex of information that debunks conventional cosmology and also posits right some possibilities for the nature of this realm. But is there any uh subject matter maybe it is related to what we’ve just been talking about that you have since gravitated towards that is alive for you that you feel is like the next frontier of inquiry or do you feel it’s important that we like marinate for some time still until we build more momentum in the cosmology realm before we move on into other arenas and topics? Well, you kind of alluded to this. It’s
(37:25) very difficult to top it because because it’s it includes so many things. You know, I randomly run across things like World War II recently. I got very obsessed with World War II because I thought it had like huge implications on it did have huge implications on everything that we live within right now.
(37:43) And um to say the least, we were lied to about World War II. And if we weren’t, it would have been the exception anyway, right? We were lied to about all the wars. But so I do get I have moments where I get very interested in history. It’s very hard to sift through history though.
(38:02) So that was a recent one because we’re seeing a lot of the same things that kind of led to World War II kind of happening right now. So I wanted to understand the socio uh dynamics I guess relevant to now. But I do think and obviously I have a whole conspiracy about uh Trump you know and I think that’s pretty relevant.
(38:19) I kind of predicted that Trump would team up with Elon in 2020 and everyone thought I was crazy and I said, “No, Trump’s the hero. He’s been cast in the play. He’s going to come save the day.” And then he’s going to update the whole system and they’re going to kind of push towards a technocratic state, but it’s going to be under the guise of a golden age.
(38:32) And then Trump wins and says, “We’re about to enter a golden age and stuff.” And so that’s one thing I think I find very interesting is how there’s this giant meta kind of plan that’s being orchestrated. And um if the people find out, they actually would we would win. It’s uh it’s very funny. People get scared. I think they’re scared of us. So those are a couple things right now, but it’s really hard to conceive of anything that can top cosmology because it just includes everything, including the ether. And if just the ether alone is it’s the building block for literally
(39:05) everything, you know, so it gives you tons of power individually and stuff like that. So, I don’t know. I would be hardressed. I do think germ theory was a big one for me. Obviously, that changes a lot of the way you view the world. Health, germ theory, all of that is can’t be understated. That’s right up there with cosmology in my opinion.
(39:23) But outside of those those two, it’s going to be pretty hard. I can’t even conceive of a theoretical one. So, so history, cosmology, and health are kind of the the trinity, right? The trifecta. So, I think we have plenty of work to do just focusing on those. Honestly, I’m I’m open to a new one.
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(41:20) I mean, I guess what has become really interesting to observe and this is kind of cooking for me and I don’t have conclusions but I have some theories are are the sort of uh just the the fields of consciousness that we can become entrapped by. And you alluded to one that I’ve observed which is I call it like a diiathesis but it’s basically this collection of beliefs that that run together and that are adjacent.
(41:48) you know to the conventional narrative but consider themselves renegade like consider themselves alternative. So and it includes beliefs like Lyme disease, parasites, mold, right? Like obsessions with these as ideologies of like all that is bothering people in the world. Um these folks often still do believe in in germ theory, right? they also happen to be like anti-farma and antiax and they also are interested in electing the hero right so it’s like somehow I know tons of folks like this and they are all globers so sometimes they’re glober newagers
(42:29) right where they believe in like I don’t know what people call like galactic council stuff or whatever and alien stuff and whatever and I’m not you know here to prove disprove It’s not interesting to me to like enter into like nitpicking people’s belief systems.
(42:48) What interests me is like what is the common thread through all of those things and why do they tend to run together in this like belief field? It’s like a collection that you get to buy, you know, of all the all the wares in the cabinet and it includes these specific beliefs that again through my very biased lens that it looks like victim consciousness, right? It looks like pointing to the, you know, the sinner out there, the savior out there, you know, the the invisible, you know, sort of source of badness that’s been projected outside. But then there’s also the idealization, right? Like, let’s put
(43:20) the hero in office that can happen and and the good daddy will come and save the day kind of dynamics. And somehow those those hinge upon a belief in the classical, if that’s the right word, solar system, right? like they they all seem to go together and I find it really interesting to unpack right so like what is the complimentary field that we’re here discussing you know like what what are the fundamental elements of that I don’t know you know like we have a group of colleagues and and we we all seem to see the world very similarly and like
(43:54) what is it what is it that defines you know uh the the way that we the lens through which we perceive and and this meta discussion is really interesting to me and it feels new like it feels like kind of like it’s bubbling in its development I guess. So that sounds very Yeah, that’s very interesting.
(44:18) You made me think cuz like it does seem like in all those scenarios it’s almost like they you can go a certain uh depth prior to self accountability or anything like that. Right. So as long as you can like kind of justify whatever deception it is externally. It’s pretty interesting. It makes me think because you what what you were making me think.
(44:36) It does seem to totally be something like that because I can tell when someone’s going to end up being like where we are. Like I can tell by after talking to them I’m like, “Oh, you’re a flatter.” You know, you just don’t know. And I’m I’m about like a thousand almost. You know, you can just tell because because they don’t have this ego invested into the lie for whatever reason.
(45:03) and and you can just kind of tell when someone is willing to to really re like uh check all of their pre preconceived notions. And so I wonder what that is. I wonder if there’s like um it’s about like an internal decision which you know we can never know. It’s it’s internal to actually just accept the truth for whatever it is as simple as it is. That is right.
(45:23) Like it’s like an internal decision that is like whatever the truth is I want to know. And maybe there’s just a good amount of people that don’t truly make that internal decision. You know, it’s like, ah, whatever the truth is, I want to know as long as, you know, it’s still pretty comfortable. I wonder if there is like an etheric component to it. Yeah. Because it seems like a field.
(45:41) I’m also very interested in, you know, what what this journey of inquiry is like for women versus for men because I do find that there are emotional initiation points, I would say, that are different. And and that’s why I’ve I’ve noted, especially in the cosmology topic, that there’s like a whole lot of men with their panties in a bunch about this subject.
(46:04) And I really don’t encounter a lot of women, not that they aren’t out there, who feel as confronted by what it is to consider, you know, the possibility that what we learned in school along with everything else was highly curated, managed, and prescribed, you know, for a specific effect. You know, this isn’t like, you know, it shouldn’t be that confronting, especially to folks who are already questioning other things. And it is. I mean, it it it really seems to be.
(46:33) So I think of it often like I watch the emotional reaction and it almost has that that stress physiology that trauma bears, you know, like it it’s related to mommy daddy stuff and that’s not to diminish it’s real. And so, right, like what I what I sense in you and the way you interact with this information in the public arena is that you, you know, you respect when somebody’s ready and and not that it’s necessarily something that everybody’s eventually ready for or not. Maybe even that it’s like better if they’re ready than not. Like, it just sort of is what it is. And if they have
(47:07) questions, you know, you’re here to answer it and you know how to interact with the information and wield it with a degree of mastery that I think is is really exemplary. So, I’m super grateful that you’re out there uh answering questions on our our behalf and uh yeah, keep it up, man. I mean, keep up the good work. Thank you. Thank you so much.
(47:33) I will say the one thing, the one part that switches away from that, it’s just that does trigger me is the children, you know, cuz it’s like now that I have like daughters, like I could tell Aaliyah anything, you know, and so I don’t like I really don’t like like forcing these beliefs that have long-term pretty serious implications on the way they view the world onto children.
(47:57) That’s the part that kind of it crosses the line a bit for me. you know, like at least tell them kind of the full story or or encourage them to think about it themselves and stuff like that. But yeah, when it comes to everyone else, it just don’t make it weird, bro. like I don’t care if you believe in but that’s why you know as someone with two teenage daughters who’s very invested obviously in this in this subject matter that’s why I’ve taken an interest in like who’s representing this in a way that is appealing right because you know like I could scare my daughters out of having a medicalized child birth
(48:34) right like later in their lives and I can do so pretty well like pretty handily like I can come up with all sorts of material and scientific reasons why having a hospital-based birth is would be a really bad thing for them, right? But what am I doing there? I am controlling their behavior through fear.
(48:52) I mean, it’s it’s the same playbook, right? Or I could invite them into like the extraordinary nature of a free or home birth experience and like make it irresistible. It’s just marketing in the end. But it’s also psychological and emotional attunement, right? So, like if we come at them assuming that they can’t figure out figure it out on their own, which by the way they can like especially in their generation like they’re exposed to many many different perspectives and some of this like for them it’s like okay fine
(49:32) like it’s it’s the barriers aren’t there I find like there is there’s just a lot less programming than than we’ve been exposed to and that’s I don’t know what to make of that because you would think there’s or because of the nature of the cyborg reality that we’re all living in right now.
(49:53) But for whatever reason, when you don’t interfere with your kids emotional apparatus and their own embodiment, they can feel the truth, right? And it’s it’s almost obvious to them. And so we’re not assuming that they can’t find the truth on their own. And then I think it’s more about the socioultural aspects, right? Because like what is the cost to them of aligning with that truth? Does it mean that they have to wear a tinfoil hat and like be ostracized and they don’t get to participate in you know this that and the other that the rest of society is doing? So it becomes about like social mechanisms I think
(50:27) ultimately and that’s why you know I’m sure you’re doing a good job of of making it cool for your kids. Yeah. I mean, Aaliyah is only two, so we’re Yeah, we’re pretty far away, but that’s very I totally agree. A lot of people are very like um kind of negative about the younger generation. I totally don’t feel that way at all. I agree with what you’re saying. They’re actually like crushing in lots of ways.
(50:50) They’re they’re very quick to see through propaganda once once it’s shown to them. And it doesn’t like they’re not surprised by anything. If you tell like someone that’s older about one of these major truths, it’s just gonna like ruin their whole week or whatever if they see it.
(51:08) But not the younger generation, it’s just like on to the next. It’s totally cool. You just don’t want it to be um so overwhelming and then it starts being lame. It’s like I don’t even if you’re right, I don’t care. You know, like you’re being lame. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. I over the past years I’ve had I have this like very cool I wish I could remember and a tribute to who made it but very cool like sort of like di like a diarama light thing or whatever. It’s like a flat earth depiction and it’s just this cool like physical thing that I have just like on a coffee table in the house and then I
(51:40) commissioned this like very beautiful piece of art from Lindsay Rididgeway and who I’ve had on the podcast and it’s like a depiction of this cosmology and it’s just on the wall right so it’s like I’ve had those sort of around and it’s part of how I just sort of like sprinkle the fairy dust of like you know the invitation you know to the to this way of perceiving and it’s almost like the the countermanding of the globe on the teacher’s desk kind of a thing that I’ve you know attempted at home because the the fire hose method at least with with
(52:16) my kids was absolutely um not the vibe. It’s not the way and they were rightly allergic to my insisting that they adopt my hard one perspectives. You know, it’s just not the way. So, I’m I’m very interested in different models of uh transmit, you know, transmitting this this info. So, yeah, I hear you. Yeah.
(52:39) I’ll say one more thing you made me think of um cuz I know I’ve been for a while, but you brought up the difference in the men and the women. And this is another part of it that’s totally relevant. It’s so toxic. Like, this conversation gets so toxic and just over the top that women are just kind of disinterested in truly engaging in it. am really the truth of cosmology needs more women to be involved and even seen involved.
(53:05) Um, and I am interested in why I I’m curious as to why there’s such a huge difference. But I think one is just a simple way. It’s like it’s just the men are just so intent and kind of over the top about it that they just don’t want to participate. You know, they don’t want to be involved.
(53:24) And then as to the other layer of uh why they why they don’t have the crazy reaction to it, I think that probably has a lot to do with like ego and then the men kind of internalize the beliefs a bit more maybe. I don’t know. It’s pretty pretty interesting to think about. But yeah, like I think you nailed it. The number one way and this is why I’m so confused why people don’t see what I do.
(53:45) Even if cosmology is my number one goal to wake people up to, I talking about other stuff is super important. You you’re just like just being normal and having like a likable vibe and resonating with people and knowing other things and then they just find out later what you think about cosmology is way more effect way more effective to the point where even in my even in my personal life with my family and stuff now that’s how it is.
(54:09) I don’t bring up anything. I make it feel like it’s they they like end up wanting me so bad to talk about it, you know, and I’m just like, I guess if you start making it weird, I’m not gonna want to participate, you know. Totally the move. It’s totally the move.
(54:26) So, yeah, just like letting people come to it and you know, what do they know? What do they know that makes them so comfortable and and no way Kelly’s a Kelly doesn’t believe in the globe? You know, that’s way better than sit down about the MK Ultra you in reverse, you know. So, Yeah, exactly.
(54:47) I was just talking to somebody about how I’ve had this experience in the the feminine embodiment world is a lot of the sort of big teachers out there are um how do I want to uh put this? They seem to even though they believe in the power of a woman’s embodiment and you know the reclamation of sensuality and the uh channeling of like feminine eeros as being a portal to the divine and all this stuff like they often were the ones putting on a mask you know during those years and having pronouns on their Zoom account and all the all of the sort of um you know victim oriented programming I would And so a lot of times like I’ll end up in I don’t know social settings with these kinds of girls and they um
(55:30) and teachers and and they like me right and and so like we’ll have dinner together and we’ll talk about guys together and whatever and then they’ll come upon my beliefs later and somehow it works out because if if I led with a lot of these things it would be super confronting and it’s a misrepresentation also of what matters to me to imagine that there’s like some belief related litmus that is the only, you know, the only way I’m going to interact with somebody. I I was like that. I have been that person where it was like tribal,
(56:05) right? Like you’re in or you’re out. Do you get it or do you not? I mean, especially around germ theory stuff. And these days, I’m more interested in this this version of the game, right? Where I just Yeah. am me. I go about in the world.
(56:24) I find ways to like relate and connect to people that are seemingly not on the page and then just sort of see, you know, see it feels more um fun, you know, to see what happens and what kinds of nonlinear like ripple effects can manifest, right? Like through that kind of approach and I know you’re up to that and and I value it in addition to the direct approach of, you know, getting up there with your index cards and going through the math. So, yeah.
(56:49) No, I appreciate you, Austin, and we’ll make sure that people know where to learn more from you and follow along in your your adventures. Yeah, serious adventures coming up. [Music] [Music]
