(00:01) [Music] I’m Dr Kelly Brogan you may know me as a New York Times bestselling author of a book with an exploding pill on the cover Renegade psychiatrist pul dancer or honorary member of the disinformation Dozen what can I say I’m a born provocator I’ve spent most of my recent life exposing deceptions connecting dots and discovering the secret places my her victim is still waiting to be liberated and now I feel called to help you reclaim all of your parts your health your sexuality your power and your expression so that you can finally truly
(00:43) own yourself I want to ignite in you that inner knowing and the pulsing Vitality that lives beneath your disempowerment disconnection and resentment so that you can audaciously courageously and playfully alchemize your struggle into the specific pleasure of Who You Are this is Reclamation radio hi and welcome back to Reclamation radio I am Dr Kelly Broan and I am here with my new friend and Ally Jessica swag and she is perhaps um more popularly known as a spiritual Hustler and we’re going to get into that and unpack what
(01:21) that means I have um just finished her new book called The Light work reclaim your feminine power live your Cosmic truth Tru and illuminate the world and I loved reading this for so many reasons on The Meta because there is so much overlap and I W to I want to dive into that in a moment um and there we’ve walked very different paths right to come to a lot of similar conclusions about what feminine empowerment and embodiment perhaps one in the same actually look like but I want to just start out um with something I said on
(02:00) your podcast when I came on to speak with you and your folks which is that you are one of the few and I’m looking to expand this uh collective in my life but few women that I interact with where I really feel the flow of energy through you right so so I know as somebody who has been very tight like tight and rigid in my body tight and rigid in my emotions um I know when I’m around a woman who is tight I don’t know how else to say it like like randomly crude about it but like you know what I mean like her energy is tight and you have such um
(02:41) such an aliveness you know I we’ve never met in person we’re about to uh but that moves through you that translates into a generosity of spirit and a a true authentic desire to lift other women up I feel that from you and it’s it means that you have worked on your sister SL mother wound uh to a great extent and that is um is is really why I love talking to you and there’s so much more that we uh you know we can we can dive into so thank you for being in conversation with me Jessica thank you for having me here Kelly I’m literally
(03:17) tearing up and you know we definitely have crossed paths at a very interesting time I think for both of our Journeys and we have a lot of meta same same over in our I think our mission and what we’re trying to impart onto other women and I just fully receive that that’s one of the Divine uh manifestations of uh and divine embodiments of feminine wealth is the simple power to receive in your body and in your heart when someone says offers you a gift of any kind or um an gener A Generous opportunity whether it’s in
(03:55) words or connection or something like being on a podcast so I just receive everything you just said in my my soul thank you oh absolutely absolutely and yes I want to get into these codes that you reference and there’s so many different topics that we could explore from your book and through the lens that you bring to the table on this subject I uh I told you I want to rein it in and I want to really focus on something that I know a lot of my listeners are deprogramming themselves around and that is this idea of wealth and perhaps even
(04:34) a more specific extension of that conversation which is a female entrepreneurship so I’ve been speaking to that subject myself as somebody who was very twisted up about it very confused I think most doctors are right because we’re supposed to be philanthropists and doing this out of the goodness of our heart to help other people but then we also run businesses and nobody ever acknowledges that in our entire training and so that conflict between service and prosperity is very baked in and I know it is for a lot of
(05:02) folks in the you know sort of um healer facilitator light worker star seed realm right there is this idea that it is potentially shameful or at least non virtuous to even have a a relationship an intentional relationship to currency right to money um to exchanges and I want to start out with you know sort of a potentially provoc question which is just Why do you feel like it’s important that women are wealthy in this moment in time I really I’m here to open up women’s eyes that it’s our job to be wealthy it’s our job to live and Thrive
(05:51) so that we can be of service so want to play a little Devil’s Advocate that I know you’re going to get with um which is that I trained in my medical training I thought that I was going to be an OBGYN for a hot minute and all of the resident Physicians and attending physicians in that rotation in in med school were women and the reason that I chose not to do that but instead to become a reproductive psychiatrist and specialize in the same demographic the same population uh but with you know a very different culture
(06:30) is because of what those women were like right like they were some nasty and there is a version of a woman with power right that is the Hustler right that is the masculinized um and not to use that pejoratively but to reference and and you know potentially Again by Design I think all of this is by Design um you know this exaggerated Amplified Yang energy that is um what I came away feeling was like wow they’re almost worse than if men were in that very same position and I know that what you’re inviting women to explore and why you
(07:16) call it spiritual hustling right is a different relationship to the opportunity to experience wealth power influence and impact yes right so that caveat seems really essential to me so that and obviously this is like the you know the the high horse I’m on these days as a recovering feminist right like that seems like ladies right like we have an opportunity here and we we we we Embrace that opportunity when we take our feminine nature our feminine Essence yes and put it at at at the foreground of our our Focus so what do you mean by
(07:58) and what have you learned even through your own right have a similar path right through your own relationship to earning right and business what do you mean by you know spiritual hustling versus just plain old hustling which we are good at we are good at this right and we’re recognizing that there is something very Hollow at and and maybe worse right that there’s a lot of bitterness and disappointment and burnout at the the core of that kind of hustling and you’re advocating I know for some something different so I wonder if you could speak
(08:31) to that I can speak to that forever because it’s my it’s my story you know you said something to me at the beginning of this conversation Kelly which meant so much to me you just you seem so in your flow you know you said something about the softness that you feel in me and and our energy exchanges to women that are both very much in their power those women that you were talking about at the OBGYN like situation that you wanted nothing to do with granted I’ve been in marketing branding and and business in a different sector but I was
(09:07) that woman I was the hustling competitive scarcely driven T like kill killing it though I it’s important to note that I went to school for a theater I was an artist for a while then I became an entrepreneur my first business bellied up I went broke after seven years of trying to run this online business business literally broke at 33 years old had to ask my parents to help me pay my phone bill uh because AT&T was going to shut off my phone picked myself up off the floor from That Rock Bottom scarcity which went on to
(09:44) live in my body and as a trauma response and then started my second business by the you know Grace of some spark of inspiration and Insanity that was like okay I’m going to try this go again at entrepreneurship and I hit it and within two years I was making millions of dollars I had grown a a 30 person team got a multi6 figure book deal was on all the podcasts was winning all of the Ws opened up this gorgeous office space in Chicago like the manifestation of my dreams it was such a showpiece I had this big CEO office with a pink lion
(10:17) behind my head like all the awards on my shelves literally killing it and completely hooked into the hamster wheel of toxic masculine go go go grind grind grind kill myself win-win-win take every opportunity sell sell sell make money so I don’t die that was literally the underd driving factor of my career for those seven years and it wasn’t until 22 where I hit full depletion physical mental emotional spiritual burnout and I just couldn’t hold up the sky anymore and I was diagnosed with de and the long story of the short of that
(11:03) is I I did a ketamine protocol I did two weeks of extrav venous ketamine which I say healed my depression but did not heal my habits and I went back into the hamster wheel at that point I had a gargantuan six figure payroll my staff wasn’t working IID hir it up too fast it was just chaos and I had reached about six months later what I call in my book Rage Against the Machine called my life I wanted to just burn the whole thing down found myself on my knees um almost divorced my husband I mean it was bad and I’ve been on the spiritual journey
(11:41) for a long time it’s actually more of my identity than a businesswoman I I’ve always been connected to to source and I’ve studied it and I’ve practiced it and I went on a very fateful trip to Egypt at the end of that year that was really the culmination of all the spirit itu work I had done up until that point and I had a full-on death in one of those temples a lot of my codes came back I wouldn’t say I woke up as much as I would say I remembered and the following past few years I I got back into my body and I I started making more money
(12:25) and it was easier it was just easier and more effortless and I learned to trust my own safety to receive and really had done some medicine Journeys as well with uh the use of MDMA and found that there was an ancient ancestor living in my womb in my sacral that was reprinting her DNA into mine she was from the 15 1600s living on the street starving just in pure survival and and and that’s why I essentially decided to sell my business which was its own Journey Rebrand my life including my podcast I call it the spiritual Hustler podcast because I’ve
(13:11) learned to hustle not from fear but from Love from safety for thriving not survival um to invite women consciously to rewrite their own programming whether it’s ancestral or not which I actually think it is for all of us and that’s what I was saying earlier about the matriarchy and how it’s been written out and I wouldn’t be able to um teach this if I wasn’t the student and I just want women to come home to their power that is needed in business in in incredible ways and we’re we’re Rising it’s an exciting time to be
(13:55) a female entrepreneur actually but man are we tired and um we there is a different way there is a better way and that’s really what my book uh in it in that chapter specifically but throughout the whole book is an invitation back home to I love that language and you point out and you referenced you know some of your feelings about manifestation and I think I share a lot of those but you point out the the veritable Obsession that we have right now with abundance right and this um this grasping chasing energy that so many women are engaging
(14:40) when it comes to the relationship to their desire for more right and so um I’m a you know a David data nut and I always reference his one of his defining aspects of the feminine which is that the feminine Essence is full and wanting more so developing a relationship to desire where you can feel actually feel that fullness right requires that you shift out of the survival-based lane of problem solving future casting and otherwise like grasping for what it you know you don’t yet have um what I found so you know as I was reading your book
(15:21) what I I literally was like what on it’s literally on page 156 because you came to the same exact conclusion I just I just submitted my manuscript myself for the reclaimed woman that I have um which is this sentence right I’m here to let you in on the biggest money manifestation secret cultivating safety in the body is the ultimate antidote that’s literally exactly what I came to was like you know we think that we need to you know drop into our feminine learn how to be more feminine we need to you know shift our perspective as women and
(15:59) just stop being like in our masculine and and just stop being so stressed out and the plot twist is that the way to do that is to begin to cultivate safety in your system which I call self- husbanding whatever you want to call it it is it is a practice of identifying what you need to Exhale and providing that to yourself even though we are relational beings even though you have every entitle M to you know want to source that from institutions and organizations and your lover and you know your your family this is we can
(16:40) skill up in this Arena and I think the the subsequent reframe that you provide you call it eight divine feminine embodiments of manifestation is so helpful and I want to share a couple of the the highlights and and speak about that with you uh because you have you know many many years of experience in the entrepreneurial realm working with this contrast that you know we just talked about from uh sort of soft preneur you know emergence from that from that um that grind and I really really enjoyed your your insights so there are some
(17:20) there are some specific uh examples that you give that I find super helpful thank you and one of them so you have these like eight examp exles right and we’re not going to you know I’m not going to Story Time the whole the whole section of the book it’s fantastic um and there is a story that you tell about pricing right it’s specifically about um a retreat that you intuitively and I’ll let you tell the story that you intuitively felt called to to put on and you know in my um you know I focus on the not so much the you know the
(17:58) mechanics and the branding the marketing but on the psychospiritual aspects of one’s you know expression through through business right and this is so common something so commonly something that um that women struggle with is legitimizing around their fee yes right yes so I’d love for you to tell that story because I think it’s a perfect example of how a woman does business through her body right that is fundamentally different than I imagine a man does perhaps even what looks like the same business you know through
(18:33) through his through his craft so what happened with that I love that you brought this up this is such an important conversation so I’ve been running my agency burning myself out in the 9 to-5 grind and one day this was late 22 as I was healing I said to myself you know I want to host a retreat for women I had done a few years ago nothing nothing I love more than being in community with women literally there’s no better thing in life and I just wanted to host this for myself so that I could be nourish my soul and and pour into who was coming
(19:09) but I knew this was going to light me up I felt it in my body and I got a little ping from Spirit I had no plan for the dates the location I knew I was going to maybe host it in Nashville where I was living and I got on stories and I said who would want to come to a retreat sign up here for a wait list got a couple hundred women to sign up for this little list and I was thinking about Retreats okay so I was using my cognitive kind of like rational logical perspective of what what Retreats cost what else is out
(19:41) there on the market you know the common going rate for a a trip like this would be around $5,000 I sat with that number I was in my backyard I was just outside in nature with my feet on the ground and I I couldn’t hold that number in my body it felt it felt um I felt heavy and I knew that I was going to want to host this Retreat somewhere magnificent I didn’t want to cheap out on like I said earlier I like nice things I want to host Retreats how I like to travel I wanted to be bougie okay so I went up to $10,000 in my mind
(20:17) I was just first starting with the the fee of what it would take for Jessica to truly enjoy this and to deliver something she felt was in alignment with what she knew she could offer and the number 10,000 didn’t really sit right either I was like you know it’s going to take me eight months nine months to produce this I have to hire a small team to help me do this I don’t want to skimp out on like meals I wanted some extra cash and you know overflow for experiences bring in a Healer like I was really just again no spreadsheet just
(20:53) sitting there in my brain and my heart visioning it and then the number went up to 15,000 in my my body and you know before I kind of tell you what happened Kelly going back to the safety in the body being the ultimate antidote and I love thank you for reading that line back I’ve done all the manifestation stuff I’ve made the mood boards I’ve watched the secret I’ve taken the courses on neuroplasticity and rewiring your brain visualization it it’s it’s the con inent it’s not the context it’s half the story we have to know in our
(21:35) bodies that we are capable of receiving abundance in the first place that’s where it starts and that was one of the first it was kind of the edge of my my activation my healing my feminine that I really played with that I had no nothing written on a Google doc like this was all in my body and I said okay 15,000 that feels good feels a little scary that that might freak people out but I I also wanted to call in women that were also in their abundance that were also you know willing to invest in themselves that
(22:11) were going to trust their own bodies that this was a yes and The Story Goes I took that couple hundred person email list announced I was doing it I picked the date I picked the location and 17 women signed up in a month I didn’t even have to promote it on Instagram I made quarter of a million dollars in 30 days and it was effortless and it started with tuning into my body and what’s been really beautiful is that the women that I’ve called in for my Retreats have been such mirrors um for me and for the other women that come
(22:56) through we are vibrating in a in such a deeply heart-c centered space it has nothing to do with like oh I’m I’m rich enough I can afford that that’s this is not the energy I call in at all it’s women who are really learning how to unravel their own toxic masculine uh you know addiction to success and to do it in this new vibration and to do it in community and to be the leader and the facilitator of that is such an honor but that was uh a huge unlock for me and that was around trust value receptivity generosity
(23:33) reciprocity all the things I talk about in that chapter I love that story because it kind of rolls them all into one um so yeah so it’s so I just love hearing this and the permission I’m big into permission fields and the permission field that even you give me listening to that is a very familiar sensation uh I remember so I believe I believe in like ritual initiations right so there’s like little little rituals and sometimes and I’m sure you would agree like clicking pay right yes is is actually the Alchemy um and then the
(24:10) rest is you know sort of bonus I remember I was with my girlfriend’s uh in LA and we were shopping and we went into this store in Santa Monica called flannel I remember and I was looking around and there was like a little sail rack and I found this silk dress that I thought was absolutely fabulous so I have uh a very intuitive relationship with money and I am not I’ve never had a budget for Better or For Worse and I also always seem to have exactly what I need and more right so I did not check the price of this dress and I get up to
(24:49) the counter and the woman very casually is like that’s like $1,500 and so of course I’m trying to like be cool right but I’ve never never spent $1,500 on one item of clothing like if I didn’t have ethical conflicts with fast fashion I would absolutely still be shopping at Forever 21 so I try to just like roll with it right so I buy this dress and it literally changed my life like I have an entirely new wardrobe maybe y’all have noticed I have an entirely new wardrobe because of that one dress and then maybe like a month
(25:24) and a half later I woke up and I was like you know what I’m I’m a silk dress girlly now you know and I’m done you know I’m done with whatever the hell I was wearing before and I initiated myself into another level by doing something uncomfortable and that was a a a pattern disrupt so what you’re describing for these women I know even being the woman right who goes to and invests in a $155,000 retreat suddenly they are a different kind of woman perhaps even a kind of woman that they they judged prior right and I also love that you
(26:05) were Guided by your own pleasure metrics right so like I charged you know what would be considered probably you know a pretty penny for my consultations in my Manhattan practice and I did out the gate um and I always was very legitimized in that and part of why I did that was because if a patient was going to be unappreciated or not necessarily grateful I wanted to not resent the amount of time attention passion and effort I put into their case like starting with the two two hour plus consultation right so I knew that it was
(26:43) there wasn’t a covert exchange of oh and they have to appreciate me too right that’s baked into the the cost so I charged enough where even if we didn’t Vibe necessarily I still felt balanced in the transaction but that’s sort of like avoiding resentment right and and it’s related but what you’re modeling is this needs to feel like the energy can move through me like it can flow and this is going to be pleasurable for me and therefore for every single person who is is in the room and that is um it’s the shift it’s the shift into the
(27:21) the lived and embodied abundant psychology I absolutely love that um you also tell um a fantastic story because you’ve referenced this before about you know the the giving and taking right so we know these vectorized energetics uh are very well represented through money and you you talk about like what it is again to be this is my language but to be the kind of woman who gives when it’s not even totally comfortable right gives just to give and engages that practice right so my coach always T taught me you know to resolve if then living right so
(28:11) when I have the money then I’ll give to the homeless person on the corner when I have the money then I’ll buy the pretty dress right when I have the money then I’ll take my kids on an epic vacation and the little ways you can start to bring that into your lived reality now so you tell a story of about giving a tip love that story favorite I just felt the same delight at like reading that story and the reminder I know we all need that when you play the part of the like audaciously um irrationally generous person with no strings attached with no
(28:54) covert expectations like you’ve really looked for those yes you you there’s ripples that are just exciting right like that’s what we came here for it’s like let’s see what the happens yes i’ love for you to tell that that story too as you’re talking my whole body is vibrating and I can feel my heart expanding and this is what I what I’m talking about it just it creates this Fountain of abundance for frequency of the world like it’s so much bigger than you at rounding up you know it’s when you really set intention behind it and
(29:30) so it’s important to note that I was a waitress for 10 years I I worked in the service industry I cocktailed I bartended I did the whole the whole industry so I have my heart is in that world like forever and I was in Chicago I love to take myself out on dates even though I’m married and I have a wonderful husband I love my alone time and we we’re very autonomous so I literally take myself out on dinner dates once in a while wanted to go to the hottest restaurant in Chicago so couldn’t get a reservation so I show up
(30:00) at like 4:55 the door’s open at 5:00 p.m. there’s already a liner on the Block I’m like damn it I just wanted to sit at the bar get to the host stand there’s a table for one left I’m like typically when I go out I like to sit at the bar but I’m like okay I’ll take a table I have a book with me you know I I’m I’m like a a waitresses or a server is the kind of worst nightmare like oh I’ve served this one person my bill isn’t going to be very high like I know the psychology This Server her name was Lee shout out hopefully maybe one day
(30:29) she’ll hear this read my book she was so kind to me there was Zero weirdness like she thought it was dope that I was there by myself she took such good care of me and we chatted I got to know her it had just the the doors in life had just opened after the pandemic after being quarantined her industry got hit the hardest she had like I learned her story she went to Seattle and worked on a wine farm outside with her family cuz she couldn’t make any money for almost 2 years she was super passionate about the industry and I just could see my former
(31:04) self in her and anyway the bill comes it’s $90 I think I ordered a martini and some appetizers and I didn’t even think about it Kelly I mean I did and I it was so it was so instinctual it was so just re reactive but like not in a it was it was this innate response in looking at that $90 tab that I was going to leave her a 100% tip it wasn’t even a question and she didn’t butter me up that night to get a big tip there was something so genuine in her energy and heart and I left her $90 tip 100% tip on a $90 check I was I say in the book and
(31:45) I still believe it it’s the best $180 I’ve ever spent and I literally could have never talked to Lee again and just felt so good to sprinkle that generosity that frequency of abundance behind me and it doesn’t have to be some I like to go up a couple bucks on my Uber driver you know my Uber Eats or if I’m checking out the pet store it’s like do you want to run round up and donate to the pet charity yes like be generous wherever you can and it puts you I think in your queen vibration it puts you in your goddess vibration that you know that
(32:22) there is so much to go around that there’s always going to be enough for you as much as there is for everyone else and you get to be the leader of that and so Lee tracked down my number and was so grateful she like texted me the next day the server this is the hottest restaurant in Chicago she’s like anytime you want to come in you just text me and so I’ve never taken advantage of it but like I’ve brought in clients and family and and so she paid it back to me in the way she could but she she never even needed to do that you
(32:53) know it felt so good to give and I think that’s a code if I may say of Gaia um that we have lost uh because again we’re we’re running in a lot of survival and that’s no one’s fault that’s just the water we’ve been swimming in but I hope with my book especially that chapter that these embodiments are just keys to just unlock where you are safe with money and how you can set the example of this feminine embodiment around what a wealthy woman looks like and it doesn’t have to be like you’re a multimillion or Melinda Gates style like
(33:38) wealthy in the life that you already live and that does create more magnetism I believe for more yeah I I think that that open unconstricted relationship to money is itself the the generator right it’s that is the the Paradox and you know I I always tell my girls that because I um I love to spend money and give money and all of it and my girls interestingly um my daughters are like very frugal I don’t know how else to say like they get like worry about how I spend money and all the things and as I already mentioned I don’t like have
(34:26) typically like expensive tastes but I love experiences and I love experiences to feel a certain way um and I tell them like when you spend money spend it with pleasure spend it with ease like spend it with a green light like of yes um or don’t right so it’s like that mixed energy of like the the like I said like the tight tip right um is a reflection of of something that has everything to do with your AOS everything to do with your feminine Essence and your vital force connection to this like unending Supply uh that
(35:07) always always will will carry you so you you talk about um the imperative to learn and you referenced this when we first started to learn how to receive and I also um have have come to a similar conclusion in fact I I told a story um recently of a woman who came up to me in uh like a pilates class right and and she’s like your hair is so beautiful I love your curls and I was like oh thank you it’s so much work right and I have as many of us women do a long history of shrinking back from a compliment trying to level
(35:55) the playing field trying to make sure that that she think thinks it’s okay that I have ha hair that’s pretty kind of a thing and the psychology of um constricting around the the receptive moment is so deep to unpack and I think it does have a lot to do with you know not self-attenuation in service of of seeming protection right so like if I’m smaller than my mama right I’m not going to be in danger of losing her love kind of a thing we project that on so many different um sources so how have you reconciled uh what it is to receive
(36:38) and do you ever still struggle with it right is there ever a self-conscious moment where you feel unsafe with a lot right whether it’s a compliment or it’s like a literal Revenue whether it’s attention uh right because you rub elbows with some you know pretty popular folks and you know have made a name for yourself are there moments where you still remind yourself like exhale relax open right and just say thank you all the time I mean let’s just go back to the the the compliment moment because years ago I went on a women’s
(37:18) retreat I spent like $700 on this Retreat it was a wild Retreat and one of the most powerful things that I took away from that Retreat top to three things was the the leader saying when someone says something kind to you put your hand on your heart look that person in the eye say thank you I receive that even if you don’t really and it’s uncomfortable it creates a muscle memory and a practice for you to get into the vibration of receptivity and I adopted that and it has changed my life it has that one simple practice actually has changed my
(38:00) life but it’s a practice I don’t feel like I’ve mastered receptivity I’m definitely in a space of building again I’m launching a book you know I’m rubbing shoulders with lots of new people as well as good and old friends and I think that when we learn to receive in the most simplest of forms like this was the unlock for me if I can’t receive a compliment someone compliments my hair oh thanks it looks like oh my God it takes so much work oh I love your outfit thanks I like yours you know it’s we block ourselves from the Limitless
(38:38) possibilities that are pouring into us always it’s looking at life like a like anytime something extra bonus happens to you it’s like a love letter from the universe you know like someone opens the door for you if some the waiter gets your order wrong and brings you an extra side of fries like I say in my book it’s like thank you yes more please and that that has been a practice for me because it is so deeply etched in My DNA I talk a lot about my my family in the book they were Holocaust Survivors like it runs deep deep deep in my DNA to
(39:14) survive and I have definitely reprogrammed a lot of that but I have to put in place practices where I breathe I meditate I commune with spirit I go into my most intimate trusted best friend circles and let let them hear the anxiety and have them reflect and hold me back up again because it’s when we put ourselves out there when we want to co-create a big life it it’s inevitably go it’s inevitably always going to test our trust in ourselves that we deserve it especially the the higher We rise or the more compliments we get or the more
(39:55) money we make I think we all always have to work on increasing our capacity to hold it and your shadows are always going to arise and I think it’s just if we can make a it’s so funny all the women that have come to my Retreats I’ve served now lots and lots of women I’ll reconnect with them and it’s been months or a year and I’ll I’ll say something kind to them and they say thank you I receive that because I taught that at my retreat and it’s just so amazing the um the ripple effect of that but also just the importance of
(40:32) keeping ourselves accountable I totally struggle with it I have days where I’m like did I just say that or did do I belong at this event or what you know whatever it is um but I have new tools now and I I know how to come home to myself and come back into my body uh cuz I left it for so long and I say this in my book you know I’m here to be your sister I’m here to be your guide and your teacher but I’m still a student and I am not your Guru um I really decided to get naked in this book if you can tell with all of my
(41:15) personal stories and heartbreaks failures and traumas in a way I’ve never shared as a an invitation like I said in a mirror for other women to see themselves hopefully in me that and to know that none of us are alone in this uh Journey called embodying our feminine and remembering who we are and feeling safe to receive all of that which we want so yeah it’s it’s such a gift as you know to practice you know receiving in that way I was just at um my girlfriend melly’s house and she has cats and I had a lot of extra cat stuff right so I you
(42:02) know that my cats aren’t using so I brought over um like this like cute you know cat tree and this like little Smoshy cat bed or whatever and her two cats immediately like one like curled up in the the cat bed immediately and the other like scales the cat tree and like flops himself on the top of it and the pleasure that I experienced that day that these cats received my gift in that way it’s like unparalleled so when we remember that that it’s it’s built that way right that that when when we offer especially woman
(42:39) tooman right but I guess to cat is the same thing when we offer you know uh to fully receive and open to that is it closes the circle right that in and of itself is the the nature of the exchange and you know this this sacred transaction if you will so I love yeah that reminder and it’s absolutely a practice for me as well a lot of unlearning of of that reflex of Smalling for sure um I want to speak a little bit before we close on what I referenced earlier is is a sticking point for a lot of the women that I work with a lot who
(43:21) are’t coaches or credential practitioners uh which is the seeming conflict between service and selling right and how you would advise you know women to begin to enjoy the marriage of those two forces right that you can uh be a good girl who’s doing her part to help others and come from this this you know drive to pay it forward because I do believe I can speak as a woman I don’t know maybe men are wired this way as well but I know all of the thousands of women I’ve watched reclaim themselves from the health space
(44:06) the first thing they do is pay it forward right so the first thing they do is make sure you know that they are in service that they are spreading the good word it’s in our nature you know I I do believe when unencumbered by a lot of these survival um based programs it’s funny you ask this question it’s very timely because I’m creating all of these new programs myself and have been wanting to you know reach more people be be more accessible a couple things when we are coming from a place of service truly I believe that there is no higher
(44:47) Joy you know you mentioned the word alignment I think we get into alignment by being in our Magic by being in our gifts by being in the joyful experience it is to help another person and I I tell the story in my book actually of this like webinar I was going to launch one day this was years ago and everyone upsells at the end of a webinar and I was my first time at that and I didn’t want to seem salesy and slimy and Sleazy and one of my he was actually a guy who was like do you feel like what you have is valuable do you
(45:18) feel like what you’re selling will help people and I said yes I do he goes then don’t call it an upsell call it an upserve you are blessed to serve them and they’re blessed to be served by you and another thing that we forget and I I said this in my first book b and I reiterated this my entire career and I say this again in my in my new book the light work by virtue of the fact that there is only one you like you literally have a one OFA kind one in8 billion DNA codes of life experience trauma learnings lessons triumphs Su success
(45:50) Etc stories friends family schooling environment like you have a one-of-a-kind Treasure of value and women are really um missing that if I may be so bold to say that we put so much of our value in what we do and not who we are um and that someone could sit in our presence for 15 minutes and not say a single word to them and they would still get value by being in your energy like hold that actually picture that could you charge money for that just to sit in your presence that is the vibration and frequency that I’m
(46:28) inviting women to step into try on um I’m trying that on myself and the last thing I want to say Kelly because it’s a really good question around I want to reach the masses I want to be accessible we change the world one person at a time that’s really how it works that’s at least what I believe we create a domino effect with one person at a time so I’ll just reference you Kelly in your private practice that you were mentioning where you would charge a a pretty penny for all of the you might not have been able to serve thousands of clients that
(47:01) year hundreds maybe and gotten paid well for it but those hundreds of people were better people in their companies and their families and their communities ideally because they were working with you this creates a ripple effect so we can reach the masses by going narrow and deep as much as we can going shallow and wide and so when you’re thinking about pricing your products yeah you might serve less people but those people serve people and you get to go deep with them you get to create actual real change and
(47:31) impact not that you couldn’t and say like a $500 course online or a $50 low ticket offer but if you were to charge I often say like well I want to charge 20 you know $2,000 $5,000 for this thing I do this with my clients I say add a zero why wouldn’t you add add a zero how does that make you feel in your body probably really freaked out okay let’s move through that let’s work through that let’s identify where that comes from how can can we be with that how can we embody that and know that we are that valuable and so it’s a longwinded way of
(48:05) of answering your question but I feel like it’s a it’s a reframe across it all and remembering that it’s really in who we are and why we are here that is the true value and you can’t really put a price on that actually um pretty Priceless and and just to try try it on and back to that backyard sitting in my Nashville Airbnb being like I want to host a retreat for $15,000 and allowed my body to lead and it was one of the most successful things I’ve ever done and not because of the money I made but because of the way that
(48:45) those 17 women walked out of that Retreat completely activated and now all of their lives have changed and their businesses have grown and they’re standing in their worth and they’re divorcing their husbands because they got I mean it’s crazy what’s happening out of that container of power and truth and embodiment so absolutely and I had the same experience even with my own inperson event that the you know VIP gals I mean we’re still hearing about the transformation and it’s it is uh it’s just this this multi-layered relationship to selfworth
(49:20) that is authentic right because you know if um it’s if you’re divided it’s felt right right so you got to get totally on board and totally in line with exactly what you said I call it sacred prostitution which is that in so many ways you’re selling your energy and your energy is yours alone and is is is you know whatever you value it at right and so um the coherence in that experience is the journey you know itself so I love this conversation thank you so much for blazing this Trail for us gals and know that you have some pre-order bonuses for
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(51:06) popper my I help you Kelly we got we I got you we’ll talk so good thank you woman thank you woman for having me you’re a queen in this world of Renegades Trailblazers truth tellers thought leaders and a sister like a downhome woman for women and I learn every time I’m in your energy as well and so thank you for having me on your podcast this was totally truly an honor oh amazing [Music] you
